x-toph Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 I bought this when it was the old website and there wasn't anything to play. I think it was 2009? It was right around the time pre-orders were even possible, before any of the trouble with PayPal or anything else. I have been waiting oh so long. Same here. And although I changed my Premium to Standard Preorder at the transition phase, I think I will pass on getting parts of the money back, just seeing how my dreams are coming true here. And all of this though I didn't and don't have the time to partake in the development process. Big cheers to the Dev-Team as well as the community! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevlar Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Looking forward to playing this on steam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenonaut Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Been checking back here periodically. Regarding Steam, its not the only way to get the game right? I am extremely leery of any of these trendy rent-a-game services. I don't want to have to have a steam account and be online to play this game. When I pay for a full version of this game, I would like to own it and not be held hostage by bnet-like rent-a-game services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assoonasitis Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Been checking back here periodically. Regarding Steam, its not the only way to get the game right? I am extremely leery of any of these trendy rent-a-game services. I don't want to have to have a steam account and be online to play this game. When I pay for a full version of this game, I would like to own it and not be held hostage by bnet-like rent-a-game services. Dude. Desura. And the standalone. And Steam is not "rent-a-game". And, more to the point, the only games that Steam forces you to be online to play are games that force you to be online to play. There are many games in my Steam library that I happily play offline because they're DRM-free. Steam is just a handy client for downloading and organizing my games. The added benefit is that a lot of games can have saves backed up to Steam's servers, so if your files get corrupted or go missing you can recover them. Finally, you only risk losing access to games on a Steam account if you breach their TOS and they catch you (which if you breach TOS will happen), but just playing games you have paid for (or are free) is no problem at all. I understand your hesitance, but next time make sure you actually understand what you're talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assoonasitis Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Double-and especially: technically all game software is "rent-a-game" based on your description. You technically don't own anything, you just purchase a license to play the game. Breach of the terms of service of that license agreement (like any other license agreement concerning software) can lead companies to revoke your access to the game. Whether or not it's an "online" game and whether or not you have a "physical copy" of the software makes no difference: any piece of software you "purchase" is really just a license to use said software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenonaut Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 by rent-a-game, I meant that steam holds the right to remove your account and therefore can take away all games that you have paid for. It's not really yours until you can play it offline without worrying that their server will be up or down. I have heard of occasions where they have delete people's account and the account holder ended up losing all the games they paid for on steam. I have not played the beta or alpha of xenonauts yet. I don't know how desura is, but my question was about steam's version and whether or not they will be controlling all distribution of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raziel1981 Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 From what i know you can also use Desura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Caine Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Yeah, once it's downloaded from Desura, you don't have to worry about the Desura client. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted April 16, 2013 Author Share Posted April 16, 2013 If you've already bought the game you'll have a Desura key for it already, and that won't change. You'll always be able to download it from Desura completely DRM free, as well as having it on Steam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assoonasitis Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 by rent-a-game, I meant that steam holds the right to remove your account and therefore can take away all games that you have paid for. It's not really yours until you can play it offline without worrying that their server will be up or down. I have heard of occasions where they have delete people's account and the account holder ended up losing all the games they paid for on steam. I have not played the beta or alpha of xenonauts yet. I don't know how desura is, but my question was about steam's version and whether or not they will be controlling all distribution of the game. Steam only deletes accounts and removes access to games for people who have violated the terms of service, though. There isn't a guy who sits around and casually removes access to accounts on a whim; there's no dart-board or big wheel or anything, no mystery. Occasionally they make mistakes and those mistakes get corrected. Moreover, if you read anything that I wrote, you'd know that Steam is not the arbiter of online only, and most games can be accessed and played offline. Some games can be accessed without even loading the Steam client, like X-COM. If a game is online-only, that is a decision made by the company that made the game, probably as a form of DRM. Valve dictating if games hosted on Steam are online-only would be exactly like a bank telling you where you're allowed to spend your money. I know I sound like a jerk, but I'm pretty tired of people misunderstanding things like DRM, because that's how things like SOPA and PIPA get drafted and part of how Bill C-11 got passed here in Canada. Educating ourselves is the only way to stop the people in the government who don't know anything from ruining the Internet (more than it has been ruined by certain "fringe" groups). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaran Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Any thoughts about finished game? Could imagine that this game finds fans on gog.com for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Caine Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 It's not going on Gog. Gog says the price point Chris wants is too much for Gog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leimboy Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 ...unfortunately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaran Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I see. That's unfortunate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papio Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Good stuff, I like steam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarPigs Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 so steam is better than desura I take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aklyon Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 so steam is better than desura I take it. At downloading? Certainly. Having as many indie games? Not really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Caine Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Steam prefers and delivers Sure Things. Desura lets people take more of a gamble. Would it be right to say the Desura is more underground than Steam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuuk Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 For sure is Steam better than Desura. Desura is slow like hell. I dont like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarPigs Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 At downloading? Certainly.Having as many indie games? Not really. thanks, I don't have steam installed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colcut Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 i wouldn't mind getting the soldier name reward as being premium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assoonasitis Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 i wouldn't mind getting the soldier name reward as being premium I would mind you getting it. I paid a lot more than $10.00 extra for that privilege. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GizmoGomez Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Yeah, that's my problem with the premium guys getting stuff that cost others a lot more money, it's kinda giving those guys a raw deal. I'm happy with whatever I get, if anything. I just wanted to pay the extra ten bucks to help with the project, I didn't really care about the extra stuff that came with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irongamer Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Incidentally, if people don't think they've got value from their extra $10 then I'm open to discussion on what we can do to improve things. As many others have already stated, I'm just happy to see the game where it is at and that it is moving forward. Will be nice to have the faster d/l speed that Steam should deliver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyDylan Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I'm really glad it's going to be on Steam. Steam Early Access has done some great things for StarDrive and Kerbal Space Program. I'm a bit of a Steam fanbooi though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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