Oathbreaker Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 X-Com players have always been a bit immersive-driven and even masochistic, yes? Why not drive home the point that "Dude, your guy who was alive last turn is now DEAD. You failed them. You failed humanity. They're DEAD. It says right there on the screen - DEAD. Where their health and TU's and morale was - it now says DEAD, and it's your fault." Simple - replace the current gap or disappearance of the dead soldier's mini-information bar with their number on top of the "currently selected soldier information bar" - with the simple, capital letters word "DEAD". That's it. Guilt trip the players. No further suggestions, Your Honour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnarly Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Maybe cue a funeral dirge sound byte? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUbiquitous Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 In big red letters from a fat rubber stamp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnarly Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 In big red letters from a fat rubber stamp. LMAO like the JA2 web mercenary hiring screen 'KIA' rubber stamp (or whatever is says) on the mercenaries thumbnail portrait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gauddlike Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Maybe instead of just the word DEAD it should be a scrolling message so the button doesn't need to be very big. You could have it saying 'Oh my god, look what you did, you killed him. He used to be alive with hopes and dreams for the future. Now he is dead and it is all down to you. His family will never see him again, they will only get a sucky little flag to remember him by, why did you make him go into that ship alone you monster? Surely you knew that little Timmy was going to be 3 this weekend? Poor little Timmy.' Or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belmakor Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 There is still a chance he/she is alive though! Maybe it should just grey their portrait out? Also if you abandon a mission with dead/wounded troops still on the ground it should just say M.I.A on the end of mission screen (with a chance the soldier makes it back to HQ after a few weeks - if they were still alive that is). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Caine Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I would only make one little suggestion to your idea, Oathbreaker. As Belmakor says, all squaddies that go to 0 or less HP have one chance at the end of the mission to be revived. The greater the negative, the less the chance of survival (and it's possible to auto-fail). Therefore, instead of a DEAD, perhaps a CRITICAL? And also greyed out, as Belmakor suggests? And if the squaddie fails the survival roll, perhaps have the image in the after-combat solider development screen with the word DEAD stamped on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gauddlike Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 KIA or MIA rather than DEAD or MISSING on the after action screen I would think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thothkins Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Since Gauddlike already got in one about little orphan pictures and videos of the kids sobbing, what about. When you have a certain high mortality rate, a little box appears saying "Your troops no longer respect you as a commander. They refuse to follow your orders. You have failed them, their loved ones, the military and all of Earth with your feeble tactics. The End." You could do it per mission. "Your troops won't enter the warehouse, because last mission you ordered Gauddlike to destroy it while there were three men inside." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivisector 9999 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 When you have a certain high mortality rate, a little box appears saying "Your troops no longer respect you as a commander. They refuse to follow your orders. You have failed them, their loved ones, the military and all of Earth with your feeble tactics. The End." I like that. I would also add a line in there like "Yes, you have proven such a godawful leader that your troops would rather let the aliens win than serve under you for even one more mission." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thothkins Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 "You have been Fragged" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safe-Keeper Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) I actually think something completely non-sentimental would have a larger impact. Another soldier dead? Grab that blue standard issue ballpoint pen and cross out his portrait. Write standard letter of condolences to loved ones. Prepare for standard military memorial service. Seriously, having hastily and crudely drawn pen crosses over the portraits of dead soldiers would fit the gritty nature of the game so well! Maybe instead of just the word DEAD it should be a scrolling message so the button doesn't need to be very big.You could have it saying 'Oh my god, look what you did, you killed him. He used to be alive with hopes and dreams for the future. Now he is dead and it is all down to you. His family will never see him again, they will only get a sucky little flag to remember him by, why did you make him go into that ship alone you monster? Surely you knew that little Timmy was going to be 3 this weekend? Poor little Timmy.' Or something like that. Wait, what about the aliens? Edited August 23, 2012 by Safe-Keeper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzles Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 What you really need for this sort of thing is a Cannon Fodder-esque gravestone covered hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 We couldn't put that in the combat UI because there's no space. The mission end screen though, yeah - I'd like to have a KIA stamp to go over the portrait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thothkins Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Does anyone else like to know how many missions and kills the deceased has on those final missions, so they can be remembered properly? Is anyone else quite that sad I think I do it through the equipment screen in Xenonauts at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oathbreaker Posted August 23, 2012 Author Share Posted August 23, 2012 We couldn't put that in the combat UI because there's no space. The mission end screen though, yeah - I'd like to have a KIA stamp to go over the portrait. Are you replying to the OP or something else? All I'm saying is use the space that's vacant in the UI when a soldier dies. Or have that soldier still be selectable with hotkeys or the little bar-thingies above the currently selected soldier - then have a 'KIA' stamp over the portrait to drive the point home. ...Drive it home, right in the feels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzles Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Are you replying to the OP or something else? All I'm saying is use the space that's vacant in the UI when a soldier dies. Or have that soldier still be selectable with hotkeys or the little bar-thingies above the currently selected soldier - then have a 'KIA' stamp over the portrait to drive the point home....Drive it home, right in the feels. They might not be dead though thanks to the revive mechanic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gauddlike Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 You could always walk over and drop a grenade on them to be sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thothkins Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 They might not be dead though thanks to the revive mechanic The Dead Collector: Bring out yer dead. Large Man with Dead Body: Here's one. The Dead Collector: That'll be ninepence. The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not dead. The Dead Collector: What? Large Man with Dead Body: Nothing. There's your ninepence. The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not dead. The Dead Collector: 'Ere, he says he's not dead. Large Man with Dead Body: Yes he is. The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not. The Dead Collector: He isn't. Large Man with Dead Body: Well, he will be soon, he's very ill. The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm getting better. Large Man with Dead Body: No you're not, you'll be stone dead in a moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent Dark Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I like on the battle screen that there is no pop up or mark for the dead. There is just a hole in my roster. The hole itself is a reminder of my failure. The more holes that appear the more reminders I have. I always thought of the combat being hectic and no time to tell everyone that the scout is not coming home. In the after mission breifing a KIA stamp would be a nice touch. Besides all of my dead from xenonauts are shipped to my undead Blood Bowl team. Why waste parts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swe_Racoon Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 "Your troops won't enter the warehouse, because last mission you ordered Gauddlike to destroy it while there were three men inside." thothkins, you do know how to make a 'coon fall of his chair laughing. And pray they're not in your Xenonauts crew... On the whole, some kind of pointer that your guy caught a plasma bolt up his nostrils would be nice. Just now I had a guy getting shot dead by an alien I couldn't see, wasn't until I tried to select him I saw he was dead. I generally don't get which soldier belongs to which tab without mousing over it, so unless I see the trooper die I have a hard time figuring out if it was Pvt. Redshirt or Cpt. Oneshot-from-everywhere (actually, his name is Sasha Smirnov, but hey). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The New Romance Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Does anyone else like to know how many missions and kills the deceased has on those final missions, so they can be remembered properly? Is anyone else quite that sad I think I do it through the equipment screen in Xenonauts at the moment. The famous Memorial Screen. Still sad that Kickstarter didn't generate enough money for that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thothkins Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 I'll just use my trusty memorial notepad and pen then :-) quite easy on development costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorlom Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 I want a little alien mascot for every downed soldier to run across the UI and pick up the bar of the dead/unconscious soldier and then run away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thothkins Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 what about little bits of text appear above each corpse, rise and fade slowly away... "Leaves a wife, 2 mistresses and a boyfriend." "Soldier 4 will will uncover his p0rn stash." "Leaves behind huge gambling debts." "His orphaned children are taken into care." "None of his squad liked him in the slightest." You know, uplifting memories of the dead guy/gal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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