dmholt Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 Is there any chance that we could add to the research tree the ability to discover the technology behind wire cutters? This would allow soldiers to cut a hole in wire fences, which currently they seem unable to do, despite having plasma weapons, flying armour, etc. etc. Quote
Msvknight Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 why? what is the point of having a tool that's useless most of the time, P.S You can blow holes in fences anyway Quote
Caaygun Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 Perhaps heavier powered armors could stomp them down like tanks or androns do. Or perhaps do they already? I should try that when I get there in my current game. Quote
Akrakorn Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 Power armor does indeed crush through fences (and other cover). Tanks as well. Quote
Max_Caine Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 Wire cutters have been brought up in the past. There's been a strong objection to doing them, as they are a specific-use item for a single tile type. I.e. not worth the money or the time when there's always C4. Quote
thothkins Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 Yeah, but try cutting your toe nails with C4. Just ask stumpy over there. As much as I love little bits and pieces of equipment, that kind of accessorisation has never really been in Xenonauts. See endless rifle scope debates... Quote
thothkins Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 I suppose if JA2 also had furry lemming suit accessories and jumped off the nearest cliff, we should do that too Quote
Gorlom Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 did I dream that the "wire cutter" functionality was automatic without the need for research or a separate item? Quote
StellarRat Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 I suppose if JA2 also had furry lemming suit accessories and jumped off the nearest cliff, we should do that too They might have that, I'll have to look. I was just pointing out that if someone wants super-detailed ground combat with all the toys they might try JA2. I don't expect Xenonauts to be that level of detail since the scope is much larger. Quote
Gauddlike Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 I imagine as well as adding a completely new item type, which would likely have to be handled as a weapon that did no damage to anything but a specific tile type, you would also have to somehow flag the specific tiles it could damage. You would also need to make that item only able to damage the tile not destroy it as taking down steel poles embedded in concrete would be tricky for most wire cutters. Well either that for just shoot the fence once which should poke a hole in it anyway. Maybe the melee attack does enough damage to double for wire cutters? Even if you have to hit it a few times you would have to cut more than a single chain link to open up a fence so it makes some sense. Quote
StellarRat Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 Don't forget that an entire set of animations would be needed to show a trooper holding wire cutters. Quote
thothkins Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 Would it be easier to adjust the tank animations to replace the turret with a catapult? I like the melee attack idea Gauddlike. Quote
dmholt Posted February 21, 2014 Author Posted February 21, 2014 Well, I guess puttng wire cutters into the research tree was a bit toungue in cheek, and I can understand that carrying yet another item is not a forward step. However I feel that there should be some way that a group of elite soldiers can get though a wire fence short of using C4. Shooting it doesn't work - you do get odd holes and tears, but I've shot through wire fences enough to see that a soldier's entire ammunition supply is not likely to make a hole they can get through. Sure there should be a time cost - but a wire fence should not be a serious obstacle requiring high explosives. I could live without any extra animations - just let me get through the fence somehow! Quote
StellarRat Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) Sure there should be a time cost - but a wire fence should not be a serious obstacle requiring high explosives. I could live without any extra animations - just let me get through the fence somehow!Not to be too annoying, but in WWI and II Bangalore Torpedoes (basically a tube of HE) were used to rapidly open barbed wire and other obstacles, so using C4 or grenades really isn't that far out there. It's 10X faster and a lot safer for the "cutter". The only time wire cutters would be better is if you were trying to be stealthy, something the Xenonauts don't have to worry about.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangalore_torpedo Edited February 21, 2014 by StellarRat Quote
thothkins Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 I do vaguely recall getting stuck at a fence in an odd map ages ago, with only a few troops. Rockets were crashing the game, so I didn't use them and I don;t often bring C4 so that was out. I don't bring the tanks either. I fair amount of firing didn't seem to be damaging the fence much. I think I just tried the rocket and crashed the game. Alien armadas I can deal with. Minimal earth security poses a much greater problem. If it were in the game, I'd imagine you'd just start with them like the Medipack. I'm note sure there's a huge benefit in laser or plasma cutting research trees, unless alien canned food is particularly difficult to get into. Quote
StellarRat Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 I do vaguely recall getting stuck at a fence in an odd map ages ago...I remember you getting hung up in some office furniture much more recently. Of course, no one is going to trust you with HE to clear desks and chairs out of your way to get to Enlisted Men's Club, so don't get your hopes up. Quote
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