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Very informative article. Thank you for the read. While i do enjoy the better posts in this thread they dont have anything to do with what this thread is about. That is about the falls and benefits of Save Scumming and Ironmann in Xenonauts/Xcom genre. And because of this i have to ask both of you to leave the thread. You can open up your own thread and continue your discussion there, and/or request for your posts to be transfered there. Good luck.

Every conversation is a confrontation. This is why i think you are living in wonderland. A conversation where there is nothing at stake is just small talk. If you truelly want to get a talk you necessarily have to have an oppinion, and in the best case you also need to be able to negotiate it. If you are just here for small talk, go somewhere else. Like i said, this guide doesnt adhere to everybody. But it is also not meant for everybody. It is meant for the people who think they can profit from it. There is no language which is "inclusive" for everybody. A title with a hundred footnotes which say what it doesnt mean is just ridicoulus. People who understand will understand. And people who dont, won´t. The difference between them is education, knowledge and a proper attitude towards life and the shortcomings of any tool . Thats just word hairsplitting. You cannot invent words or a language which is inclusive for everyone. You are chasing a dream. The proper way is to know the limitations of language, and the use of it. Men talk differently among each other than women do. The proper way to behave is to know when to use which language. Normal people know that every word has its limitations, and that every tool has limitations. They dont try to invent a perfect language, but are simply humble. Thats what i said. What makes you think repeating what you said makes me accept it the second time ? But i already stated that the majority of things you say is wrong: If you want to fight the definition of a word you are in the wrong thread. Im not claiming that bad RNG games dont exist, nor am i disputing that bad Ironmann games exist. But again you are in the wrong thread for it. The example with the dices is just a bad game. Im sorry that you are playing bad games. And i also sorry that the gaming world has become less about gaming, and more about entertainment for you. But again, you are in the wrong thread for this discussion. This guide is concretely about Xenonauts and about Ironmann only in this context. This is why its on the Xenonauts and Xenonauts reddit forum.

The issue here is that people can interpret it as such, unless my senses about how people read English with a western traditional value is completely off. Which i dont think it is. So regardless of whether what you said is intended as such or entirely different has no effect on the fact that an wide array of people will read it as such, thuse my answer addresses the issues which come up while somebody might read your text. Which again, is in my oppinion the majority of people. There is only so much bullshit i can take. Its not about discussion, its about A. your text is based upon a context which gaming is simply not. The unsaid word is more powerful than the said one. And so addressing the wonderland which your narrative is based upon is more important than what you actually had to say. And B. You misinterpret my words and state things which are simply, plainly wrong, and therfore make black into white, and white into black. Here is your example: Like i already said, simply because i make 1 guide on how to properly play the game doesnt mean i invalidate all other ways. Which i stated. Which you didnt read. Here it is again: See ? This is so untrue that i even wonder how you can say that without getting purple red in your face. Thats like saying poker is purely a game based on consistency, and has nothing to do with skill. Poker is a game based on consistent display of skill. Again, the unsaid word is stronger than the said one. Your narrative suggests anybody has an objective of hiding balance issues under the rug. That is mostly not the case, no game is balance issue free, and the goal of development is to make the game as interesting and engaging as possible, not as balance issue free as possible. Balance is important as well, but its not the primary goal. With this you end up with games which are not balance issue free, but nobody "hid" anything anywhere. It just so happened that the game came out this way, and i wouldnt contest any developer to have any agenda of hiding anything anywhere under what-not. The issue is mostly about time and money. Ofcourse there is, if you have a concrete goal in mind. The goal of the guide is to enrich your experience, make you learn high quality skills fast, and to not waste your time learning skills. If you have such concrete goals there is definitely a finite approach towards that, and this guide suggests ONE of it. It is there to help and guide people. Your statement of "everyone has a different approach" is true, but that doesnt help the people who concretely want advice on how to utilise their time on the game. In the same way that if somebody wants to learn how to cook the answer of "Everybody does it differently" is technically true, but doesnt help the trainee a single bit. I just think that the majority of your statements are too wrong to be discussed ( Ironmann doesnt make the game harder ) and your view too different to have a common ground. This place is for people who want to concretely discuss how to enrich their gameplay experience, and how to utilise Ironmann ( where can you reload, where not ). You are simply in the wrong thread. Shoooo. Open your own thread for your oppinion . I requested to lock the topic because this forum is a place for robust debate. Not drama. And there havent been any answers for a long time, and the rest of it is just somebody who disagrees with the proposed fundaments so hard ( Ironmann makes the game harder, and there are skills you can learn to deal with it ) that no debate is possible. You are like somebody who doesnt eat fish and goes into a fish restaurant . Cheers

You are misinformed. Save scumming is defined as the technique to evade RNG results and get the RNG results you desire by reloading. Havent seen this anywhere. I think you are oblivious to the fact the we are only talking about Xenonauts, and XCOM games in general. Not any other genre. Also a game is not a movie, the satisfaction of overcoming new challenges is what makes the game so noteworthy. That implies that nobody is able to learn anything in a game. Im happy to announce that humanity is still able to increase their skills and broaden their horizon by playing video games. This is impossible, because you dont have all the information. XCOM is not a puzzle genre. Sentences like these make me wonder if you even played one game in the XCOM genre. Ironmann has its own appeall in single player. You see the game in a completely new way, learn new techniques to deal with uncertainties and learn how to calculate and deal with risks and failures. Thats the same thrill and satisfaction you get out of playing poker. Congrats. Guys ... is this craziness ? You dont lose the game because you lose one soldier to a reaper. Again, a game is not a movie. Aquiring the skills necessary to beat a game is the satisfaction. Mastering a game and all its RNG odds is where the enjoyment comes from. Something which might not be for you. FFS. The game is just in early access. You cant say anything about the balance. And even apart from that, bad map rolls are what makes an RNG map creation appealing. The randonmess, the unpredictability. In professional AOE2 games player can call a reroll in the first 2 minutes if they feel like the RNG rolled too bad in their favour, with a limited reroll count for both players. Random maps are not a bad thing, but it obviously has its limitations. Additional tools are implemented to control the worse side of it. Play Chess if you dont like RNG. There 100% of your actions are skill based. Welcome to XCOM, baby. Why do all these people like to gamble so much ? Its outcome is little determined by strategy or tactic . Anyway, a lot of readers didnt seem to get what this guide was about, so let me quote from the guide itself. Its about enriching your gameplay experience as well as learn high quality skills in your life. People also seem to overlook this paragraph: Everything which has been stated wrongly by @Edmon Save Scumming has been termed like this for a long time. It hints at the depriving aspects of said techniques, but is used carefully for each appropriate situation. The proper way to behave in this world is to learn features of a tool and the time to use it, instead of making the world infant-proof. The quality of a knife lies in the fact that it has a sharp edge, and not in the fact that every knife in the world is made so dull that nobody can hurt themself with it. Ironman makes the game harder. Ironman gives you a new experience. People are actually able to learn something in their life. Random map creation is a good thing. Too high difficulties is part of the creation process. It can be mitigated by various other tools. Spoonfeeding everybody their own difficulty and Safe Zones are a bad thing. You gotta learn your limitations to see real improvement in your life. Not every game has to be a game for everybody. Some can be niche games. In fact making games for every taste in the world enriches the experience and diversity more than only standart cost for everybody. The guide was about the XCOM genre, and Xenonauts especial. Its not about RPGs. This is why its on the Xenonauts reddit page. Just because somebody makes 1 guide to a proper gameplay experience doesnt mean he becomes a predator to all other ways of playing the game . Apart from that its a lot of simply wrong facts, out-of-context statements and a lot of emotion hype. Cheers @Max_Caine please lock the thread.

Its just 4 flares on the ground to mark the entry zone. Nothing else. No walls to protect you. No decision in your exit zone, no protection from fire all across the map, no cool droppods. If you think thats fun than imagine landing naked in the middle of a terror site. Hm, but since you dont know what your immediate environment is you cant know what your exits are either way, no ? Sometimes you land in the north corner and have exit SE and SW, sometime you have a wall at SE, making everything else your exit. The preview window of sorting your soldiers doesnt allow you to view your environment. I personally think that a randomised starting position is better, increases the replayability and keeps the interest and challenge for the player fresh and new. But this might take time to realise, as 5 combat zones are not enough to get an endless feeling for the missions. If you like a static design you can go into maps/dropships/valkyrie and choose one to your liking and delete the rest. This way you can try out static design vs a dynamic one. Fixed. Actually, there is a manufacture option for the Base, Terror and Fleet Praetor. I removed the unlocking of the manufactures from the research entries right now. Fixed.

Than you are propably talking about the research previews. Yeh, they won´t get done. It was originally sfarrelys work, and we added some new stuff after he left, so those entries won´t be done.

We dont really have an influence on where the valkyre spawnpoints are. Those were made by the mapmakers of XCE. One of the major points i wanted to reach with the new design is that you cant get your vehicle out any direction you want to, unless you shoot down the pods. The randomness of the 23 maps should provide a unique approach to every mission. That vehicles cant open doors is just a vanilla restriction. Yes, droppods are very good cover. For you, but for your enemy as well. I think you never saw the original valkyrie design ?

@PALUSince you are one of the few people so far ahead, whats your oppinion on the new randomised valkyrie droppod area ?

<3 Maybe its because we improved on the overall gameplay ? How do you like the additional options in the installer ? Im pretty sure that you cant get anything that would identify as a Facehugger Corpse in the game. You can only get them alive. It sorts ... soldiers. You can choose the order of your soldiers with it. Thats a definite plus when you have more than 16 soldiers in a base and are under a base attack. The game takes the dropship crew + the rest of the soldiers following in a chronological order. So if your best horse is at the top of list but at 32% hp, you can sort him out of the combat readiness. PAW ! ><

Chance for that is 10%. Its there to force alien bases upon the player if they dont take it out while landing.

Dont worry, that happens on all difficulty levels. I mean i have never seen a farmer solo a sebillian on ng+2, but drones and other stuff.

While it is true that a conscious unit made unconscious with a shock rocket generated a splashed asset, they still count as captured afterwards. The point was more about that items on the ground including already unconscious units would get destroyed afterwards, which ofcourse shouldnt be the point for shock equipment. EMP change is self explanatory. I hope with this we see an increased use of EMP and shock charges all around.

It is.

My suggestion: clean reinstal, no non-XCE mods, and delete your AppData\Roaming\Goldhawk Interactive\Xenonauts\internal\scripts folder.

WiP UNOFFICIAL updated X-Division 1.00.10 Notes: X-Divison has gone the step to replace vanilla files. There has been an original file added for every replaced one in case you want to deinstall the mod. In case of doubt make a reinstall of the game or verify game integrity through steam. You only need to download and install the latest Patch avaialble, it contains all prior fixes as well. The .01 to .10 patch is NOT savegame compatible. If you want to make it savegame compatible you need to make a backup of your researches.xml, run the installer, and immediately copy your backup over the new file again. You will miss out on the fixed researches but you can continue the campaign. As a basic rule, never patch during Ground Combat Installation: The Base for this patch has to be version 1.00.00 or higher. This update is not available for versions lower than 1.00.00 . Download the X-Division 1.00.10 Update: https://mega.nz/#!hdpxQY7Z!8Pq8V6WNn4oKmkDJRUn0v3fd9O4A9r61oRXp6lhTJXM Link ( MD5: 5f1614fddb9153103832d5f971908e30 ) Deactivate your ANTIVIRUS/UAC program(s), it can intervene with the installation. As soon as the installation finishes you can activate it again. Start the executable provided in the file. Follow the instruction of the installer After you have used the installer there is no need to change ANYTHING anymore, everything has been taken care of, including scripts, modloader priority, and everything else you may think of. The only time you might want to change something is if you are activating/deactivating No Airgame or change the soldier models. Enjoy . Changelog: Dunno, i changed a lot. These are the things i can remember: Fixed some bugs around the Roborex Roborex explosion on death no longer causes overdamage Roborex explosion radius decreased from 6 to 4.5 Halfed kinetic armour for semi-shield roboreaper. Their weak point should now be weaker Halfed energy armour for melee roboreapers. Their weak point should now be weaker added mitigation to human stun gas added one loading tip improved the AI of Drones a bit most importantly added X-Divison Palu's Shining Xenopedia to the game 7 new categories for the soldier equipment screen I think i also added the latest Monument IV map by Svinedrengen to the map pool new mod: Nerf The AI: The aliens have less sightrange, deal 20% less damage and have 10% lower stats. new mod: X-Divison Don't Die On Me ! :If your soldier doesnt blow up, takes a minigun point blank or gets left behind he WILL survive the mission. new mod: X-Divison Easy Airgame: Did you ever wanted to try out the manual combat but were put off by the difficulty ? Look no further, this is what you need. UFOs have 50% less hp, while your aircraft are 20% faster and have a 20% further range. Additionally the refuel, rearm, repair and recovery rate are 30% faster. Only TOGGLE this during a Geoscape save. The Xenopedia page doesnt correctly display UFO hp values with this. Its 37.5% for the lowest difficulty and 50% for all other difficulties of the displayed hp values. new mod: X-Divison Slower Invasion: The Invasion escalates 25% slower new mod: Empower Facehuggers: This will improve the AI of facehuggers, but as a side effect they will also be able to attack vehicles. Ofcourse this is not intended gameplay which is why it isnt in the base version. If you want to give facehuggers their intelligence back while having to drive your vehicles cautiously around this is for you. appended unobtainable andron terror unit loot to appropriate robodog/roboreaper units new feature: AP Damage: MAIM/SHOCK damage that reduces TUs for the next turn. revised Shock and Electron weaponry fixed the installer with the help of @Mr. Mister fixed some bugs Increased frag grenade damage from 50 to 70 Increased frag rocket damage from 90 to 110 EMP charges and rockets no longer cause overdamage Shock rockets no longer cause overdamage Soldier Equipment Screen gained a Soldier Sort button decreased Endgame research time in accordance with the latest diminishing returns formula

Fixed. Sure, but the point is that applying more scientist is worse than what the official formula suggests. Tested this once with 60 man hours and 60 engineers. It took exactly 24 hours to complete.

@PALU @Dagar @Svinedrengen Just confirmed that diminishing returns is a thing for scientists. It loosely works as the formula describes it, that is total efficiency equals 100 - ((applied scientists - 1) / 2). But in reality there seems to be an ever increasing number of inefficiency the more scientist you apply to a project. So in reality it is 100 - ((applied scientists - 1) / 2 + X). With 20 scientists X is 0.4%, while with 70 scientists X is 16%. @Solver said the Nano workshop bonus gets applied ontop of everything after the calculation, but thats untested. So you can loosely formulate it as (100 - ((applied scientists - 1) / 2 + X)) * 1.5.

@PALU All Ancient Weapons are literally bogus, some are too strong some way too weak. Their data is literally from the ALpha build, over 3 years ago, and doesnt factor in any of the changes which have been made seen since. They are ancient - code wise. So we are going to make a completely new and revised Ancient weapon set, up from scratch. The only prerequesite they have is that they should be more powerful than other weapons. So far its: Range of 50 Lower TU% useage than other weapons So give me some nice ideas what should be so special about them, with the code we have in mind.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Xenonauts/comments/ad3bvs/xdivision_numbers_and_mechanics/ Indeed. Easy = NG. Normal = NG+1 Veteran=NG+2 Superhuman=-. Superhuman is "officially" not supported. Looked into the weapons_gc.xml and basically all weapons have at least suppressionRadius="1". What is radius="1" ? It is a cross shaped and affects 5 tiles ( center + 4 directions ). Now Xenonauts works with a 3x3 system, where every tile is made out of 3x3x? blocks. If you affect 1 block of a tile, you affect the whole tile. So a a bullet, or the suppression hitbox of a bullet only has to graze 1 block of a tile to affect it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43LlrX88nFw&feature=youtu.be I ran some tests and TU really doesnt seem to be a factor. Other than that it is starting suppression threshold = current moral. Moral can go over 100 in X-Division, so keep that in mind. [4496] Soldier (miko 'hercules' ) hit suppression: [4496] armour damage reduction (149) = max(0, armour resistance (169) - armour mitigation (20)) [4496] damage (94) = max(0, damage (95) * armour damage modifier (99)) [4496] suppression score (185) - damage (94) = suppression score (91) [4496] morale change by (-0.940) = damage (94) * moraleRate (-0.010) [4496] morale (185) = max(100, min(0, morale (185) + value (0))) (with boost = 193) (soldier: miko 'hercules' ) 185 was the current moral for ´hercules´ and this seems to get taken for the suppression threshold. Second turn, then suppression: [4496] Soldier (miko 'hercules' ) hit suppression: [4496] armour damage reduction (142) = max(0, armour resistance (162) - armour mitigation (20)) [4496] damage (94) = max(0, damage (95) * armour damage modifier (99)) [4496] suppression score (138) - damage (94) = suppression score (44) [4496] morale change by (-0.940) = damage (94) * moraleRate (-0.010) [4496] morale (185) = max(100, min(0, morale (185) + value (0))) (with boost = 193) (soldier: miko 'hercules' ) 138 ( this turns suppression threshold ) - 91 ( last turns suppression threshold ) = 47 suppression threshold recovery. Which equals to 25,4054054% of the 185 moral threshold. So the manual is correct about the 25% recovery. Killed own soldier > reduced subjects moral from 185 to 165. Current suppression threshold is 44. Next turn > suppression. [4496] Soldier (miko 'hercules' ) hit suppression: [4496] armour damage reduction (142) = max(0, armour resistance (162) - armour mitigation (20)) [4496] damage (94) = max(0, damage (95) * armour damage modifier (99)) [4496] suppression score (91) - damage (94) = suppression score (-3) <= 0 => unit is suppressed [4496] Trying to play animation crouch_ENY [4496] morale change by (-0.940) = damage (94) * moraleRate (-0.010) [4496] morale (165) = max(100, min(0, morale (165) + value (0))) (with boost = 173) (soldier: miko 'hercules' ) 91 - 44 = 47. So the recovery rate doesnt seem to change even though the moral clearly changed. So the 25% of regeneration of the suppression threshold seems to be a constant set at the beginning of the mission, and doesnt change. The higher your moral your start your mission with is, the higher the suppression regeneration. Next test: clean state, killing 3 xenonauts to lower moral: starting moral 185, now 125. [4496] Soldier (miko 'hercules' ) hit suppression: [4496] armour damage reduction (155) = max(0, armour resistance (175) - armour mitigation (20)) [4496] damage (94) = max(0, damage (95) * armour damage modifier (99)) [4496] suppression score (185) - damage (94) = suppression score (91) [4496] morale change by (-0.940) = damage (94) * moraleRate (-0.010) [4496] morale (125) = max(100, min(0, morale (125) + value (0))) (with boost = 133) (soldier: miko 'hercules' ) Suppression score = 185. So even when your moral gets lowered lower than your suppression threshold during your mission, it doesnt affect your suppression threshold. And with that propably also not the regeneration of suppression. + Suppression by alien fire + each successfull psionic fear attack ( other psionic abilities are untested ) The whole strenght gain system is completely bugged, and only hardcoders can take a look at it, and they prefer not to. @Solver Answered ? I think you have to realise that the AI is not a robot programmed to repeat behaviour, its a robot programmed to repeat results. They act in the same way than a human when making decisions. When an alien unit gets less TU through the difficulty modifiers it may come to the conclusion that its usual tactics are no longer effective enough for the TU it has. So it may switch them out on the fly, maybe to a more campy playstyle. Where it once though it was save to rush into a command room it may now decide it simply doesnt have the right tools to achieve the proper average results. When the difficulty lowers the damage of alien weapons a unit may simply decide to not take a shot, because giving away its position for less damage is simply - worse. No matter the difficulty, and no matter how hard nerfed the stats are, the AI still has the same task to do. And because they cant change their stats, they will have to change their behaviour. Up to a point where the aliens literally dont have a single useful action anymore. You can see that when an alien behaves "odd" or just "stands around". Fight, Flight or Freeze Response. Anyone ?

Yes we do, i suppose. If your andron/praetor did have any of the bogus weapons, and the aiprops says it has a propability for that, than we are talking about this: <SingleShot sound="Weapon Laser Precision Single" delay="0.6" suppressionValue="6" suppressionRadius="1"> <Set1 ap="33" accuracy="50" /> <Ammo name="ammo.Caeliumtube" type="chemical" damage="120" stunDamage="0" mitigation="15" > Direwolf armour has <Resistance kinetic="75" energy="95" chemical="45" incendiary="45" /> So with a 50% damage roll the weapon can do 60 energy damage, which can be described as pretty minor and even multiple shots like this are blocked by the Direwolf armour. I think you are missing the point, you have to look at the Ancient Weapons in the weapons_gc file. Otherwise you cant understand the problem. Its ok if you dont want to, just drop me a note.

Wut ? We know where it went wrong. One weapon can do 1575 damage, and the other 240. Look into the weapons_gc.xml. So the question now would be, what do we want the Ancient weapons to be ? @PALU@Dagar@Svinedrengen@Phoenix1x+52

We are explicitely talking about the Praetor here, and the discrepancy that 1 loadout can do 1575 damage, while the other can do 240.