Skybirduk
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Lets just leave the discussion where it is and move on to something else.
It isn't going anywhere and degenerating further will accomplish nothing at all.
I'll agree with that, for the sake of peace.
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Why would they - they aren't OP.
The point could be argued that suppressing four units with one grenade is OP and can make breaches very easy to do.
I know, so? You throw in such position that the chance will be very little.For a test, just had smoke grenade thrown, alien walked through it, had a pistol guy reaction shoot hit him from a distance. Relying on smoke grenades seems like a tactical liability now. I don't use them now, even though they are part of the kit.
What, no justification for the "Come on before you shoot" comment? or are you pretending you didn't say it.
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Considering how attempting to leave the forum will be considered an attempt at desertion...
If I remember rightly, some military chefs tried to make a pudding, and they ended up charged with dessertion...
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So if smoke doesn't work for Sebillians - use suppresion.
So, how long is it before the flash bang Grenades get weakened?
Suppresion doesn't work for androns - use smoke.Did you actually bother to read the "especially as the smoke effect is reduced as well."? Smoke is no longer stopping fire, just reduces the chances a bit.
Come on before you shootWhy has shooting come into it? Where in the post did it mention that I am shooting?
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You have smoke grenades to cover your path
That should work well against Sebellians that can see right through them, especially as the smoke effect is reduced as well.
MG's to suppress, or flashbangsSupress against Androns?
you can also retreat.Let's use our remaining TU's to move a little further away from the enemy and turn our backs to them?
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No shields means going back the the OG tactics of hiring Redshirt Recruits whose job it is to get mown down.
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Changing shields in the middle of a fire-fight did provide too much of an exploit. You can still carry plenty of shields to a location on the dropship and extras can still be brought up to the ship for the breaching, you just have to spend time going back and forth.
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that's controlled rage and heroism (some say stupidity)
That reminds me of the tranquil fury comment earlier about having reduced TU's and greater accuracy.
It would be nice if you could have a chance of counter-attacking when mind control is attempting, and it doesn't need to be a big chance. Suppose when the attempt is made, you are so angry that you go into a berserk state that is fuelled by primal anger of your ID.
For a moment you are seeing through the eyes of the alien and his alien co soldiers are around him. You cannot walk, but you can turn in place and shoot at the aliens, possibly causing reaction fire against the alien.
It wouldn't need to be a big chance, but could you imagine the fun it would be to beat the aliens at their own game, even if it was only occasionally?
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so I'm not surprised if assault shields designed to stop plasma fire would be some hefty cast iron.
Perhaps they sifted through the crater at the site of "The Iceland Incident" for the vapourised hull of the battleship and have used the droplets as part of the construction, with normal alloy used as a bonding agent.
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Combat shields and Assault shields are now too large to fit into a backpack
Commander: Mule one, two, get over here!
Mules one and two: Yes Sir!
Commander: Owing for some reason our combat shields have grown in size and our shield guys can only carry one now.
Mules one and two: Why do we need to know?
Commander: Owing to the very odd fact as well that the dropship can carry people weighed down with equipment, yet can't carry any extra itself, your job is to have your firearms in your backpack, and carry one shield on an arm. Once the dropship has landed you can leave the shields there and arm yourselves with your weapon.
Mules one and two: But they will still only have one shield, sir?
Commander: Yes, but once the perimeter around the ship is clear, our shield guys can go back to the dropship and get fresh shields for the breach. Now do as you're told.
Mules one and two: Sir, yes sir!
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The current implementation of Psi Attacks makes them much like a finger of God
Or like being attacked by the Monty Python foot...
[video=youtube;-rutX0I6NxU]
(At the end 37 seconds)
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When I played the origianl game recently, I had a massive recruitment drive at one base with plenty of psi-labs just for the purpose of finding good psi-soldiers. Once trained, they went out and gained lots of experience in psi-use and target practice games. The attack on Cydonia was a walkthrough.
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Supposing there was also a chance of a "Tranquil Fury" reaction from continued psi attacks, where the soldier is mad and angry but retains his temper, causing reduced Tu's and higher accuracy for a few turns.
One alien to another "I think all it did was make him angry."
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You can't fully protect your soldiers from an alien walking round a distant corner and one-shotting your soldier with a lucky plasma cannon shot either, but doesn't mean there's something fundamentally wrong with the shooting system.
In such a situation, there is the possibility of getting off a reaction shot to hit the alien as well. At present, people may feel that it is random and they have no control.
Maybe a end of turn 'gritting your teeth' option that costs some TU but increases resistance, or maybe someone who has experienced enough attacks on them could even attempt a deception when telepathically linked, sort of like when Daniel seized control of Replic-carter in Stargate SG-1. So long as the linked person doesn't expend any TU's, the alien cannot attempt other psionic attacks for the next few turns.
Edit: These are just ideas though.
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Burden of proof falls to the person making the assertion.
Since when has this forum been a proof of law with you as it's judge?
if you tell me that predatory animals are capable of intelligent (not instinctual), military-like behavior, it is up to you to prove yourself right, not up to me to prove you wrong.You told us first that predatory animals are not capable of such things, so therefore it is you to prove it is right, according to your rules. Again you refuse to provide evidence but support your claim, yet demand that the person countering your claim must have absolute proof.
I still don't have a link to a video or documents.So, you are incapable of typing 'Lions that hunt elephants' into your search engine bar? I would have thought that you would have wanted to check it for yourself, instead of pretending that it doesn't exist. Or is it more that you are trying to imply that I am lying?
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/wild/big-cat-week/videos/elephant-takedown/
http://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/life_history/risk/lion_elephant_predation_2006.html
intelligent (not instinctual), military-like behavior
Weren't you claiming that military like behaviour can only be intelligence? Not it can be instinctual as well? Moving Goalposts a lot?
Of course if you take an unsocialized animal and put it into the wild, it is going to die.Your response gives the impression that a single animal is put back into the wild. The comment that you refer to mentions packs, not a lone animal, therefore you have misrepresented again.
As you said, it doesn't know how to hunt or survive.What happened to the hunting and it's just instinct claims?
The argument that because a wolf learns how to hunt from it's pack/parents, that I can stick it in a college classroom and teach it calculus is just as absurd as saying it can learn how to take cover, flank, and pick targets intelligently.Learns how to hunt? What happened to the instinct only again?
Trying to equate hunting and combat tactics with calculus? We would have most likely had tactics before written history. Calculus was worked out by two incredible geniuses, Issac Newton and Gorrfied Wilhelm Leibniz, and are you going to ask me for links about this?
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Stop being facetious please. You know what I meant, and one of my buddies hunts wolves and moose in Alaska.
The reason I was being facetious was because of the fact that the original comment was about wolves hunting, not about them getting shot at, as a response to your act of misrepresentation.
Sources please. I have never heard of this kind of behavior, and the woman who raised me was a zoologist. Granted, her specialization was in chimpanzees... That by no means makes me an expert, but in volunteering at the local zoo every summer in my teenage years I've picked up a few things.I don't have the first two, but the BBC (planet earth)have put the third one showing lions hunting an elephant on youtube and I am very surprised that you somehow managed not to find this video as a great expert like yourself must have excellent research skills. The comment 'sources please' indicates that you don't need to give proof, but others have to. It's a pity that you have to resort to such double standards to try and win your case.
A pack of wolves hunts together as a team to take down prey. Not because they are smart enough to say "Hey, if we work together we increase our chances of success. Let's try it out guys!", but because they are spurred on by natural instinct to do what feels right.If instinct was all that was needed, painted wolves could be easily be re-introduced to the wild. These packs have a very bad habit of dying out instead or hanging on for dear life. I suppose you will demand sources of that as well. Sorry, I don't record everything I see over my entire life. Adult lionesses show the pride young how to hunt, contrary to the natural instinct theory.
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Crusherven, The original text to which the quote refers to involves wolves hunting. Have you ever seen the natural prey of wolves with rifles?
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You guys must have a lot of time on your hands.
More like actually read at a proper speed and can type with more than one finger.
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When have you ever seen a wolf dive behind some rocks when getting shot at?
I didn't know that creatures that wolves normally hunt carry firearms. I think that we had better call National Georgraphic and have this filmed.
When do they initiate feint attacks to draw enemy attention away from an area and then attack there? When do they show coordinated movements outside of the normal "pack hunter" routine?
You mean like when jackals work in a group with some using fake attacks to lure a mother rhinoceros away from her baby while other run in and make attacks at the baby?
You mean like when wolves attack a herd of Bison, pretending to go after the young, but actually tricking the herd into sacrificing an older male for an easy kill?
You mean like when lions use fake attacks to lure an elephant away from the herd so that they can hunt it?
Maybe you should tell them they can't do it, after all, they must be wrong...
Anyway, what's next? Are you going to draw a clearly arbitrary for your benefit between this tactical behaviour and more intelligent tactical behaviour?
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When I said that reapers should not be intelligent enough to use military tactics (such as flanking, coordinated attacks, feints etc... NOT ambushing, as that is instinctual to apex predators and should be fair game), people told me I was wrong.
What you are calling military tactics are also the tactics used by pack hunters, such as lions, hyenas and wolves. If they can do it, Reapers should be able to as well. Seeing as even crocodiles can be trained, if Reapers can't be taught, they would have to be on a lower level than that.
It's not only intelligence which is the issue, it's the ability to be trained which some animals do better than other. That's why some dogs fit into some areas of work. Raw intelligence itself is not the only factor, there is experience and knowledge as well. Given the way that these creatures reproduce, there would be a high possibility of them having a genetic memory.
As the reapers are a perfect army in the fact that they make themselves bigger as the enemy shrink in size, why wouldn't their controllers 'uplift' them to a greater intelligence?
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I imagine if a race could manipulate genetic code or work on a cellular level they may be able to isolate the reactions they want and turn these reactions into a kind of genetic memory or instinct to be passed down to any offspring they may create.
There may even be two kinds of Reapers. You could have terror mission reapers, with nothing in the way of experience, and their job is to run around and scare people.
Then you have the Doomsday Reaper. It is well trained and it's ancestors will have been involved in previous planet-wide exterminations
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The idea that a reaper is an intelligent creature is ludicrous. It would violate the in-game lore, and is a huge logic gap.
Science fiction is cool because anything can happen so long as it can be explained logically. There is no logical reason that the aliens would NOT use reapers as soldiers if they were just as intelligent as other biological sentients. Therefore reapers are not intelligent. What is so hard to understand?
It can also be claimed that the normal forces are not intelligent either, given what we find out in the 'Alien Interrogation' research. It is obvious that the leaders want to be in complete control of their armed soldiers.
The Reaper is a biological WMD that has to work on an autonomous basis as it otherwise need to carry a massive sackful of radio controls to hand out to each new Reaper. On that basis, they could be considered to be 'more intelligent' than the alien foot soldiers. They could equip Reapers with weapons, but that would be like adding iron bombs to a thermonuclear device, just in case you would want to use it as a conventional weapon. Possible, but a waste of time, resources and money.
What concerns me is not whether or not the reapers have human level-intelligence, but why are they in play? They are the ultimate weapon, after all. One or two dropped in remote areas would create an army that would lead to the extinction of humanity.
My thoughts would be that the Reapers are deployed as terror weapons so that the authorities know what the ultimate weapon is. It is as much directed against them as to the general population "Do you want to be wiped out by this?" kind of threat.
From the way I see it, Reapers have the intelligence levels of apex predators, such as lions or wolves.Some lions have shown themselves to be very intelligent, especially the ones that learned to hunt humans. They were the basis of the film, "The Ghost and the Darkness."
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Please don't discourage him, Crusherven. He is providing a lot of amusement at the moment.
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If they are intelligent enough to use military tactics, they are smart enough to "report" for cybernetic enhancement. Or if not, are hard-wired genetically by the praetors to return to base to be "enhanced".
Instead of turning maybe ten or more civilians into reapers, each new reaper goes back to the ship to have a weapon fitted. So, if they landed in a major city, the ship carrying a few reapers has to carry one hundred thousand weapons? Could you imagine a queue of a thousand reapers outside a small ship, waiting for their weapons?
You talk about logic, yet you completely ignore logistics.
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MortuuSum, this was the comment
Without asking or finding out, he decides how I am playing the game, then lectures me on how I am playing it wrong. As I see it, this shows arrogance and condescending behaviour.
In the OG I would be very cautious entering buildings and moving around, saving reaction fire in case an alien comes into line of sight. A lot of times in the OG, retreat could get you killed, and I would only use it if I had near maximum TU so that I could hide behind a corner, otherwise it might be better to crouch and reserve TU in case the alien came closer.
MortuuSum, if he had said that he had assumed that I was talking about shooting and was mistaken, that would be one thing, but the fact that he said nothing seems to suggest that he was just creating a 'strawman' argument. By the way, don't worry as you are not being confrontational or accusatory.