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I am aware the devs know of this bug and probably already have the fix in the works but I thought to supply this added debug information in case it is useful.
Dump Summary
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Dump File: XenonautsCrashDump.dmp : C:\downloads\Build_V13.2\XenonautsCrashDump.dmp
Last Write Time: 8/19/2012 2:55:13 PM
Process Name: Xenonauts.exe : C:\downloads\Build_V13.2\Build V13\Xenonauts.exe
Process Architecture: x86
Exception Code: 0xC0000005
Exception Information: The thread tried to read from or write to a virtual address for which it does not have the appropriate access.
Heap Information: Not Present
System Information
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OS Version: 6.1.7600
CLR Version(s):
Modules
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Module Name Module Path Module Version
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Xenonauts.exe C:\downloads\Build_V13.2\Build V13\Xenonauts.exe 0.0.0.0
ntdll.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\ntdll.dll 6.1.7600.16385
kernel32.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\kernel32.dll 6.1.7600.16385
KERNELBASE.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\KERNELBASE.dll 6.1.7600.16385
dsound.dll C:\Windows\System32\dsound.dll 6.1.7600.16385
msvcrt.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\msvcrt.dll 7.0.7600.16385
user32.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\user32.dll 6.1.7600.16385
gdi32.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\gdi32.dll 6.1.7600.16385
lpk.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\lpk.dll 6.1.7600.16385
usp10.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\usp10.dll 1.626.7600.16385
advapi32.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\advapi32.dll 6.1.7600.16385
sechost.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\sechost.dll 6.1.7600.16385
rpcrt4.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\rpcrt4.dll 6.1.7600.16385
sspicli.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\sspicli.dll 6.1.7600.16385
CRYPTBASE.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\CRYPTBASE.dll 6.1.7600.16385
ole32.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\ole32.dll 6.1.7600.16385
winmm.dll C:\Windows\System32\winmm.dll 6.1.7600.16385
powrprof.dll C:\Windows\System32\powrprof.dll 6.1.7600.16385
setupapi.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\setupapi.dll 6.1.7600.16385
cfgmgr32.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\cfgmgr32.dll 6.1.7600.16385
oleaut32.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\oleaut32.dll 6.1.7600.16385
devobj.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\devobj.dll 6.1.7600.16385
IPHLPAPI.DLL C:\Windows\System32\IPHLPAPI.DLL 6.1.7600.16385
nsi.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\nsi.dll 6.1.7600.16385
winnsi.dll C:\Windows\System32\winnsi.dll 6.1.7600.16385
wininet.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\wininet.dll 8.0.7600.16385
shlwapi.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\shlwapi.dll 6.1.7600.16385
normaliz.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\normaliz.dll 6.1.7600.16385
urlmon.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\urlmon.dll 8.0.7600.16385
crypt32.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\crypt32.dll 6.1.7600.16385
msasn1.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\msasn1.dll 6.1.7600.16385
iertutil.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\iertutil.dll 8.0.7600.16385
version.dll C:\Windows\System32\version.dll 6.1.7600.16385
dbghelp.dll C:\Windows\System32\dbghelp.dll 6.1.7600.16385
shell32.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\shell32.dll 6.1.7600.16385
SDL.dll C:\downloads\Build_V13.2\Build V13\SDL.dll 0.0.0.0
comctl32.dll C:\Windows\winsxs\x86_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_5.82.7600.16385_none_ebf82fc36c758ad5\comctl32.dll 5.82.7600.16385
winspool.drv C:\Windows\System32\winspool.drv 6.1.7600.16385
comdlg32.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\comdlg32.dll 6.1.7600.16385
imm32.dll C:\Windows\System32\imm32.dll 6.1.7600.16385
msctf.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\msctf.dll 6.1.7600.16385
uxtheme.dll C:\Windows\System32\uxtheme.dll 6.1.7600.16385
profapi.dll C:\Windows\System32\profapi.dll 6.1.7600.16385
dhcpcsvc.dll C:\Windows\System32\dhcpcsvc.dll 6.1.7600.16385
ws2_32.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\ws2_32.dll 6.1.7600.16385
clbcatq.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\clbcatq.dll 2001.12.8530.16385
MMDevAPI.dll C:\Windows\System32\MMDevAPI.dll 6.1.7600.16385
propsys.dll C:\Windows\System32\propsys.dll 7.0.7600.16385
AudioSes.dll C:\Windows\System32\AudioSes.dll 6.1.7600.16385
dwmapi.dll C:\Windows\System32\dwmapi.dll 6.1.7600.16385
d3d9.dll C:\Windows\System32\d3d9.dll 6.1.7600.16385
d3d8thk.dll C:\Windows\System32\d3d8thk.dll 6.1.7600.16385
nvd3dum.dll C:\Windows\System32\nvd3dum.dll 8.17.13.142
psapi.dll C:\Windows\SysWOW64\psapi.dll 6.1.7600.16385
comctl32.dll C:\Windows\winsxs\x86_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.7600.16385_none_421189da2b7fabfc\comctl32.dll 6.10.7600.16385
avrt.dll C:\Windows\System32\avrt.dll 6.1.7600.16385
Assembly Break Line:
014558E3 mov edx,dword ptr [esi+1Ch]
Hope that was helpful
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MCF error still happening any body got a fix....???
Anwsers:
If your talking about Desura being the problem then :
When can I download it from http://www.desura.com/games/xenonauts/download ?Manual download V13.2 is up as well.Taken from this very thread. Reading is fundamental.
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I just tried walking within the chinook, and still had the same problem, so I don't think it is an exits thing.
Then: I have loaded the same saved game, and carried out two more missions without issue. It is a really random bug.
Oh, something additional I have noticed is that if you keep clicking around after the freeze, you get sound interference with the music, and I have seen up to three fatal exception info boxes up after tabbing out of the game.
Interesting. I'll look into this when I am home and can play again. I'll try messing with the sound files.
Also if you hit L during a bad load you get 7+ error boxes.
It might be related to a bug where the ramps don't load but it isn't caused by lack of exit ramps, that would allow you to select the troops but not give you anywhere to move them.If the exit ramps are missing then something is failing to load.
Maybe that is the clue?
If some of the images, for example soldier weaponry or a cursor image, isn't loading either then that may cause a crash.
It's not a Pathing issue as I realized you can't fire your guns during a bad combat load either. I've tried everything map wise to no aval. The dump states a c000005 error which means the computer application I can't tinker with xenonauts.exe is either trying to divide by 0 or allocate data to memory that does not exist maybe null data I don't know for sure. I do light visual studio programming so I know a little but I'm no expert coder or anything. Most Lilkely well need another hot fix.
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Sorry if you saw my post. I did a work around and got through 17 ground missions without crashing. I tried to duplicate this effect afterwards however I was not successful as the game crashed once I restarted the game and loaded my save. Seems this one is gonna be tough but I will keep trying to try to get a work around that makes it go away completely. In case you were wondering I removed tilerender.xml and got it to crash less often and you are welcome to try it out. It does have some rendering side effects so you should back it up so you can replace it. Once again sorry if I got anyones hopes up so soon for a permafix.
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1-x for soldiers, ctrl+1-x for vehicles iirc, haven't managed to get this build working yet, desura died on me and I've not had the time to get it back up...
The manual download is up so you don't need desura. As for the other gentlemens question there is a game manual posted for this game although I am not sure if 11 and 12 are bound yet. I click On there mini stat bars to select them for now.
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So is this bug an instant crash when the level loads up or does it happen when you try to interact with something?
If it is a crash on interaction does it make a difference what you try to interact with?
It happens when you "CLICK" on a unit be it soldier or tank. You can avoid the crash by using the hot keys to select, well at least for me that is the case. I can also tell you that all tanks are poison so you should not use them in 13.2. I have changed a rocket tank to an MG tank which actually kicked major butt however once I reached ground mission 4 i got the destroyed tank model on load and I "Clicked" on it like a fool and then came the infamous CTD. I am currently working on playing through VMware player with one of my alternate OS's I have from my old decommissioned computers. The reason is that I do not want to save as I believe loading a save game is just as poisonous as using the tanks.
If your wondering VMware is software that allows you to run another OS on your computer in a window(sorta like remote desktop works) as when you close it the state of the computer is suspended and can be resumed from any point
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Crash to Desktop After Ground Battle Loads Easy Work Around for 13.2:
I have not encountered enough ground battles to confirm this 100% but the last couple of times I came to realize that if you do not CLICK ON the units the game will not crash. You will not be able to move your units though after you hit control + 1 for your tank or whatever number key selects your closest guy to the ramp. When you try to move off the ship you will see that you are stuck but the game will not crash if you do not click on any of your units. At this point simply press the letter "V" and poof the ground mission ends and off you go on your merry way.
Hope this helps and I'll let you know if this method continues to work as I am playing.
Okay so here is my final run down. This trick works however the downfall is that it appears that every single ground battle afterwards will be bugged. I can no longer do any ground battles without either clicking on a unit and crashing the game or pressing v to skip the ground battle entirely. I also noticed that I could not re-assign my tank and i tried selling my Chinook and using nothing but troops but alas still got the bug. Seems nothing short of modifying game files or waiting for the next patch/hot fix will fix this.
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how were you "using" the med kit? when you select the med kit it should turn the cursor into a "target" cursor and you can then click on the wounded soldier to "attack" giving them health, it's got a limited range (right next to the "target").
Basically it should be the same as throwing a grenade (select weapon, place cursor over target, click).
Yup tried that at different heal settings 5, 10 Etc...
You can't heal fully, you can only heal 50% (I think) of the damage taken.For example if you had 60hp and took 20 damage, you would only be able to heal back up to 50hp
I thought that was represented by the light grey bar but if what you say is the case it is possible as my goal was almost full hp and I only noticed after wasting 3 of my teammates turns that it was not working.
Thanks for the heads up tho I'll keep an eye out for this specifically next time I'm playing tonight.
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So I have experienced this bug as well when the map loads the game would crash. However by a fluke where I believed it should of crashed it did not! Guess what I am missing?! THE RAMP TO GET OFF OF THE SHIP! Maybe that's a hint to this bug? Game didn't crash but obviously I could not get off the ship either. I started using hot keys instead of clicking on the tank which may be an odd reason why it did not crash although this is just me trying something else.
Well after posting this i accidentally clicked on a soldier instead of hot keying... Game crashed. Hmm very interesting right?
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I tried to use my medpack from all soldiers around her and even her own medpack(which i realized she can't heal herself) I tried using 5/10/15/20 hp heal methods. Nothing worked she is stuck at 29/57hp. I attached a pic of her hit point bar so you can see and maybe even tell me if I am putting my foot in my mouth on this one.
P.S. The damage was caused by friendly fire.
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I also thought to share that it took me 2 grenades, 2 rifle rounds that hit,1 round from my Heavy MG,a smoke grenade, a tank missile launch(2 actually but my second missed completely), and finally a sniper round to take this alien down. He did not take any direct hits from the explosive shots (grenades, missiles) but even still my god he was strong lol. This was why my guys were posted up where they are in the previous post above. Oh and don't throw smoke grenade till last cause that made it harder for my sniper to hit. Luckily he hit his mark through this nuclear cloud of smoke =P
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I came across this pathing bug. It seems I am able to move my soldier onto another soldier in this location. I don't believe this is suppose to be possible. Attached Screen Shots.
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When an ordered item arrives (hired scientists for example) The pop-up box says something like "has been arrived at" in the sentence.
Yes the game states "ITEMS ORDERED TO [YOUR BASE NAME] BASE HAS BEEN ARRIVED."
It Should Say "ITEMS ORDERED TO [YOUR BASE NAME] BASE HAVE ARRIVED."
[V. 13] back when I was able to play it also referred to scientists as items. Is there a better wording you could throw in there that would refer to both items and persons? Maybe:
Courier plane received clearance to land at [placename].
Sorry I missed your response here but yea I agree maybe just re-word it to say
"YOUR ORDER AT [YOUR BASE NAME] BASE HAS ARRIVED"
Should be a simple fix and close to the current message but I do like the courier plane idea too although I would like mine to be the A330 MRTT by Airbus. It has a 45ton cargo hold and reaches speeds up to 860km/h traveling up to 14,800km. I think it can do the job
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Isn't that pretty redundant lordfeff? It's more likely that your correction ill be misunderstood as the game will be harder in addition to not being able to save the game at will.
Your right I suppose then it should simply say:
This mode forces the player to live with their mistakes, providing more tension. [The following text that appears afterwards is fine.]
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V13.2 Verified. Reaction Fire caused CTD. Also the very next time I tried to do a land battle on my save game the game CTD as soon as the battlefield loaded.
Here is the Crash Dump from the CTD after battle loads:
Version=1
EventType=APPCRASH
EventTime=129892997384795746
ReportType=2
Consent=1
ReportIdentifier=6d94f655-e4f1-11e1-994e-00248c2a647b
IntegratorReportIdentifier=6d94f654-e4f1-11e1-994e-00248c2a647b
WOW64=1
Response.type=4
Sig[0].Name=Application Name
Sig[0].Value=Xenonauts.exe
Sig[1].Name=Application Version
Sig[1].Value=0.0.0.0
Sig[2].Name=Application Timestamp
Sig[2].Value=5024f6c4
Sig[3].Name=Fault Module Name
Sig[3].Value=dbghelp.dll
Sig[4].Name=Fault Module Version
Sig[4].Value=6.1.7600.16385
Sig[5].Name=Fault Module Timestamp
Sig[5].Value=4a5bd9b2
Sig[6].Name=Exception Code
Sig[6].Value=c0000005
Sig[7].Name=Exception Offset
Sig[7].Value=0004c86f
DynamicSig[1].Name=OS Version
DynamicSig[1].Value=6.1.7600.2.0.0.256.48
DynamicSig[2].Name=Locale ID
DynamicSig[2].Value=1033
DynamicSig[22].Name=Additional Information 1
DynamicSig[22].Value=7af0
DynamicSig[23].Name=Additional Information 2
DynamicSig[23].Value=7af0855a3d2dc3b99576c539772b48b4
DynamicSig[24].Name=Additional Information 3
DynamicSig[24].Value=1473
DynamicSig[25].Name=Additional Information 4
DynamicSig[25].Value=1473bfd600393277c9d2896d0dcdecf4
UI[2]=C:\Program Files (x86)\Desura\Common\xenonauts\Xenonauts.exe
UI[3]=Xenonauts.exe has stopped working
UI[4]=Windows can check online for a solution to the problem.
UI[5]=Check online for a solution and close the program
UI[6]=Check online for a solution later and close the program
UI[7]=Close the program
LoadedModule[0]=C:\Program Files (x86)\Desura\Common\xenonauts\Xenonauts.exe
LoadedModule[1]=C:\Windows\SysWOW64\ntdll.dll
LoadedModule[2]=C:\Windows\syswow64\kernel32.dll
LoadedModule[3]=C:\Windows\syswow64\KERNELBASE.dll
LoadedModule[4]=C:\Windows\system32\DSOUND.dll
LoadedModule[5]=C:\Windows\syswow64\msvcrt.dll
LoadedModule[6]=C:\Windows\syswow64\USER32.dll
LoadedModule[7]=C:\Windows\syswow64\GDI32.dll
LoadedModule[8]=C:\Windows\syswow64\LPK.dll
LoadedModule[9]=C:\Windows\syswow64\USP10.dll
LoadedModule[10]=C:\Windows\syswow64\ADVAPI32.dll
LoadedModule[11]=C:\Windows\SysWOW64\sechost.dll
LoadedModule[12]=C:\Windows\syswow64\RPCRT4.dll
LoadedModule[13]=C:\Windows\syswow64\SspiCli.dll
LoadedModule[14]=C:\Windows\syswow64\CRYPTBASE.dll
LoadedModule[15]=C:\Windows\syswow64\ole32.dll
LoadedModule[16]=C:\Windows\system32\WINMM.dll
LoadedModule[17]=C:\Windows\system32\POWRPROF.dll
LoadedModule[18]=C:\Windows\syswow64\SETUPAPI.dll
LoadedModule[19]=C:\Windows\syswow64\CFGMGR32.dll
LoadedModule[20]=C:\Windows\syswow64\OLEAUT32.dll
LoadedModule[21]=C:\Windows\syswow64\DEVOBJ.dll
LoadedModule[22]=C:\Windows\system32\IPHLPAPI.DLL
LoadedModule[23]=C:\Windows\syswow64\NSI.dll
LoadedModule[24]=C:\Windows\system32\WINNSI.DLL
LoadedModule[25]=C:\Windows\syswow64\WININET.dll
LoadedModule[26]=C:\Windows\syswow64\SHLWAPI.dll
LoadedModule[27]=C:\Windows\syswow64\Normaliz.dll
LoadedModule[28]=C:\Windows\syswow64\urlmon.dll
LoadedModule[29]=C:\Windows\syswow64\CRYPT32.dll
LoadedModule[30]=C:\Windows\syswow64\MSASN1.dll
LoadedModule[31]=C:\Windows\syswow64\iertutil.dll
LoadedModule[32]=C:\Windows\system32\VERSION.dll
LoadedModule[33]=C:\Windows\system32\dbghelp.dll
LoadedModule[34]=C:\Windows\syswow64\SHELL32.dll
LoadedModule[35]=C:\Program Files (x86)\Desura\Common\xenonauts\SDL.dll
LoadedModule[36]=C:\Windows\WinSxS\x86_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_5.82.7600.16385_none_ebf82fc36c758ad5\COMCTL32.dll
LoadedModule[37]=C:\Windows\system32\WINSPOOL.DRV
LoadedModule[38]=C:\Windows\syswow64\COMDLG32.dll
LoadedModule[39]=C:\Windows\system32\IMM32.DLL
LoadedModule[40]=C:\Windows\syswow64\MSCTF.dll
LoadedModule[41]=C:\Windows\system32\uxtheme.dll
LoadedModule[42]=C:\Windows\system32\profapi.dll
LoadedModule[43]=C:\Windows\system32\dhcpcsvc.DLL
LoadedModule[44]=C:\Windows\syswow64\WS2_32.dll
LoadedModule[45]=C:\Windows\syswow64\CLBCatQ.DLL
LoadedModule[46]=C:\Windows\System32\MMDevApi.dll
LoadedModule[47]=C:\Windows\System32\PROPSYS.dll
LoadedModule[48]=C:\Windows\system32\AUDIOSES.DLL
LoadedModule[49]=C:\Windows\system32\dwmapi.dll
LoadedModule[50]=C:\Windows\system32\d3d9.dll
LoadedModule[51]=C:\Windows\system32\d3d8thk.dll
LoadedModule[52]=C:\Windows\system32\nvd3dum.dll
LoadedModule[53]=C:\Windows\syswow64\PSAPI.DLL
LoadedModule[54]=C:\Windows\WinSxS\x86_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.7600.16385_none_421189da2b7fabfc\comctl32.DLL
LoadedModule[55]=C:\Windows\system32\avrt.dll
LoadedModule[56]=C:\Windows\system32\xinput9_1_0.dll
FriendlyEventName=Stopped working
ConsentKey=APPCRASH
AppName=Xenonauts.exe
AppPath=C:\Program Files (x86)\Desura\Common\xenonauts\Xenonauts.exe
Hope that helps
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Playing the game on my computer which is using a screen that is 1366x768 resolution the Mig32 loadout for the Avalanche missiles is partially squished and makes changing them to the lower grade missles (Sidewinders) that fire faster harder due to this effect. In fact the lower wing at the bottom of the screen is impossible to change
. The standard fighters are fine and I have not unlocked any other jets yet so I'll let you know If I find any other aircraft with this issue as I play. -
The V key ends the ground battle. This may be intended so I apologize if it is not considered a bug. I thought I read that developer keys were disabled however it does not appear to be so. If I understand correctly the launcher window was not updated with the new rev to state V13.2 So I will tell you I have Alpha(1192), Build 32 and I can confirm there is a note in the change log for V13.2.
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I believe there should be a button that empties the soldier of all equipment. This saves time from having to right click every item on them and the accidental oops I forgot to unequip [item name here] .
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I don't see a difference in the launcher after update. It states V13 which I think was noted in the update but can I get the desura details so I know I have the latest version.
Desura Claims:
Installed Version: Alpha(1192), Build 32
this V13.2?
I have the change log and it shows 13.2 but I'm not familiar with Dusura So Im not sure this is what ive installed or what has been done however the status shows ready so I presume it is 13.2 shrug.
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If you press escape to pause the game at the start of the game before placing your base down and then attempt to resume the game to place your base the game immediately ends and you lose. I also noticed that the first time I tried to start the game after this effect I was unable to see the Geoscape and only on the 3rd new game was I able to see the geoscape and place my base down.
This bug is reproducible.
Confirmed Bug Carries Over to [V13.2] Update
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Game Crash Event During Intercept
Conditions Were: Fuel was low @ 17% when started, Had 3 fighters(starting craft), UFO was running away from start.
Trigger of crash. All 3 fighters hit 0%. Question to return to base or lose the fighters pops up. Clicked Yes To Retreat. Immediately afterwards the game freezes and i have to alt tab to the error window that states there was a problem with the game and it needs to close.
Game Version: Preorder Alpha Build V13 31 July 2012
Windows 7 64bit
RAM: 4gb
AMD phenom II x4 810 @ 2.61GHz
NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT
Fixed On V13.2 [No Longer Crashes]
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Iron Man Mode Tool Tip Reads:
This mode forces the player to live with their mistakes, providing a more tension.
Should Read:
This mode forces the player to live with their mistakes, providing more tension and an added level of difficulty.
[v14 Chinook troops arse-about]
in Xenonauts Bug Reports / Troubleshooting
Posted · Edited by lordfeff
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Hi all. If this bug annoys you there is a work around. I will supply the work around for the Industrial Light Scout 1 Map where you are facing the wrong way in the upper Left Corner of the map. I'll try my best to make this fix easy to follow.
*Click signifies Left-Click, Right-Click is always specified.
1)Navigate To Your Xenonaughts Base Folder (whereever that may be... in desura its (programfiles(x86)/desura/commen/xenonaughts) on win 7
2) open the program there called GCLevelEditor
3) Click load button on window that appears
4) Select Industrial from the Tileset Drop Down Box.
5) Click Industrial_LightScout1 and then Click the OK button.
6) Look to the right of the window. You will see your on the Main Layer Tab. Click Spawn/Target layers
7) In the box below this tab you just clicked you should see an entry CHECKED for airplane.human.chinook - SE. Click This Entry.
8) On the map you will see human.chinook box slightly brighter then the rest. RIGHT click the bright yellow box labeled human.chinook to remove it.
9) Verify that airplane.human.chinook - SE is now NOT checked
10) Click On The Entry that says airplane.human.chinook - SW
11) Click on the giant green Square. If the square is not centered into the green area click and hold the left mouse button down on the human.chinook yellow square and drag it so it lines up perfectly in the green square.
12) Verify airplane.human.chinook - SW is now CHECKED.
13) Click Save Button. By default the window that appears should say Map name - industrial_lightscout1. Click OK.
14) Click Yes to the prompt to overwrite it.
15) Close the editor and enjoy the fix.
Comment: (The Chinook Renders out toward the East. It is not perfect but at least your setup is not backwards!
Pics Attached)
This trick will work on other maps as well where you might find this setup. I have only just started so industrial_lightscout1 is the only map I have seen this happen in as of yet.
I have seen aliens spawn INSIDE the hull of the ship on some maps. I suspect this may be related. If you can identify the map you can use this method on THIER ship and change its direction. This will cause them to spawn correctly within the UFO. Its important to know if the UFO is crashed or landed as I believe there are 2 separate spawns depending on the condition of the alien craft. Trial and error I say.
Happy Gaming!