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There was a code named "hypervelocity" or like that.

Interesting idea.

The game has issues about obstacles and bullets from the beginning.

Well, I will message Chris and see if I can at least fix this problem with burst-firing. Fingers crossed.

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Here is an example setup:

The first 2-3 bullets destroy the wall. The other 7-8 bullets hit the space where the wall used to be. Nothing goes past the wall. This is something I want to fix...

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You are not a mod user as i see.. you stick at default versions..

I tried not using any mods, but eventually I added "Hold the Line" and "Instant grenades" in my vanilla game.

Also, the problem with machine-gunners still exists in X:CE. Shooting through a wall causes the first few bullets to destroy the wall and the rest of the bullets to hit the empty space where the wall used to be. Grr. >:-[

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Just please understand me, i saw many ppl come here with passion and left with anything in short times. I hope you join to XCE and make it a team.

I understand. I have a strong desire to fix certain specific problems in the vanilla game that really bothered me. (The problem I mentioned with machine-gunners was one.) But maybe those are all fixed in XCE and there is nothing left for me to feel strongly about. XCE became available again on Steam today - earlier (e.g. yesterday) it was not available - so I am starting a new game with it. We will see...

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The game engine is not so easy (even very very hard) to handle to fix or add something..

It's true that I don't know bad the code is. Even Goldhawk said it was a terrible mess. Maybe it's very stressful. But I'm not promising anything at this point. :-P

As the Ilunak said, your approach is a bit harsh and i don't know why you did so even you don't know whats going on..

You may be right, and I'm sorry for speaking in ignorance, but I got my impression by reading the official "community edition" post ("What is Xenonauts: Community Edition & how do I get it?"), which does not give the impression that people can join. I looked in the X:CE forums and there was no obvious post saying how people can join. There should be a sticky post saying how to join, or the existing sticky post should have a link to the information about joining. Otherwise, the overall impression is that people cannot join this project, or cannot join easily.

And if you became a XCE coder... I will be your nightmare!

Hah, well, we will see. :-)

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the community can contribute, that is, there's nobody stopping them except for themselves.

Well the page you linked to says that if you sign an NDA then they'll consider your application and might (or might not) accept you. Those are obstacles. But I don't know how strict they are.

You know, it's not a very good idea to come to a new place that you don't know much about and start teaching something that you do not know much about either. The term you want is "Open Source". X:CE is not Open Source, but it is community made.

I'm aware that X:CE is not open source. I am arguing that it should be more open, especially since Xenonauts is no longer officially supported. I still don't think "community edition" is a good name when only one person has access. But thank you for the link to that page. If Goldhawk is lenient and lets any community member have access if they want it, then I was wrong.

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The code is open for any coder who wants to be a Community coder.

Do you know how somebody can get access?

If you know enough c++ and got time, you can be a community coder too.

Well, I do know C++ and have been programming for decades. I just played a full game with vanilla and was bothered by many problems. I don't know if those problems still exist in XCE, but if they do then I really want to fix them...

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Thanks, I will switch to XCE and test there.

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Goldhawk already stopped for their support for Xenonauts... At this time there is only Ilunak working on this project... So it's already done what you asked.

Hi drages. On the contrary, it's exactly the opposite. Right now we have a game being made by just one person. It's not a community edition, it's Ilunak's edition. I'm sure he's doing good work, but he's just one person. And if Goldhawk no longer supports Xenonauts, then I think we should have a real community edition, where the community can contribute. Ilunak can still control the official "community" edition, but other programmers should be able to submit proposed patches to him, or to change their own version of the game if the changes don't fit Ilunak's personal vision.

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The "community" edition is not a real community edition, because it's not built by the community. Rather, it's built by just a couple, privileged people. With Goldhawk working on other games, support for Xenonauts will probably become a low(er) priority for them, and if they start building Xenonauts 2, they'll probably stop working on Xenonauts almost entirely.

So I ask, will we ever get a real community edition where any programmer can see the source and submit patches to improve the game? The patches could still be accepted, rejected, or edited by a couple privileged people for the official "community" edition, but anyone could fix a problem that they see in their own version of the game, or make the game how they'd like it to be.

People still have to purchase Xenonauts to get the art and other assets needed to make it work, so it wouldn't lead to rampant piracy. And with Xenonauts 2 coming, the older Xenonauts game should really pass into the community's hands rather than just becoming unsupported and unfixed.

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Did the wall have 100% block? Anyway, maybe it works in the "community" edition. I will try it. But I generally prefer to play the official, supported version of the game, and it seems to be a problem there.

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A favorite tactic of mine from the original X-COM was to make a hole in the ceiling of a UFO and drop down inside. Well, you can't damage UFOs in this game nor do you do much fighting inside buildings, but I still noticed that if you make a hole (or if an alien shoots the floor out from under you), you don't fall through. You can walk in mid-air where the ceiling used to be.

Also, if you kill a flying alien, the corpse just floats there in mid-air.

It seems there is no gravity. Surely it wouldn't be hard to move objects down if there's nothing beneath them?

EDIT: I don't have permission to change the title, but this is 1.59 stable on Windows.

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If I have an alien on the far side of a wall, and I try to shoot the alien through the wall with the machine gun (or probably any burst-firing weapon), the first bullet will break through the wall and then the other nine bullets will just hit the empty space where the wall used to be.

This is frustrating because machine gunners can't punch through obstructions to hit aliens on the other side. Will this ever be fixed?

EDIT: I don't have permission to change the title, but this is 1.59 stable on Windows.