Spyda665 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Ok so maybe not cheating but WOAH ... What .. the Hell ... lol ... I just went to a downed UFO, Those Lizard men looking freaks, and i have two men hiding behind a wall ... I have roughly 17% chance to hit with max TU's thrown into an aimed shot ... bear in mind, I also have a 50% chance of hitting the Wall the lizard-thing is hiding behind, so all in all I'm basically screwed with aimed shots. My sniper is a little farther up the map, not too far, but has a 57% chance of hitting with full TU in aimed shot ... Turn one ... Everyone misses, Alien auto-shots destroys the wall one of my people is behind and hits another one. Turn two ... Everyone misses, Alien auto-shots "Two" of the shots kill one of my men ... Turn three ... Everyone misses, Alien auto-shots, Hits my other man behind the wall killing him too. So my question is ... What the hell is the alien accuracy with burst shot ... they never seem to miss, and two of a three burst connecting, even though with fully aimed shots I'm not topping 20% ... Whats going on here, I know there's meant to be a challenge, but when your soldiers are being wiped out because they're so blind they couldn't hit themselves, and fighting enemies that just cant miss if they wanted too, The appeal of playing the game really just starts to fade away ... To end it all, after losing 4 men in 4 turns I just turned it off ... If i cant hit them I may as well pack up and go home! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarRat Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 (edited) They aren't cheating. A three round burst from a single alien with only a 10% chance to hit has a 27% chance to get ONE hit. If you have two aliens with a 10% chance to hit firing three round bursts, there is a 47% chance they will get AT LEAST ONE hit each turn. The alien weapons are more accurate than human weapons most of the time on top of that, so my 10% example is probably low. Three hits from a total of 18 alien shots is well within the normal odds. You just SLIGHTLY unlucky. The bigger problem was that your men didn't hit at all. Taking out just one of aliens would have swung the firefight drastically in your favor. OR alternately, you just needed to get more guys into the battle. Suppression with the LMG would have fixed your problem. Edited June 12, 2013 by StellarRat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svidangel Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Rocket launcher to take out the cover maybe. Just be careful you don't splatter the alien if you want his gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 There's a bug in the Steam version where misses frequently don't scatter far enough to actually miss the target. It means long-range inaccurate shooting hits far too often. The next version will fix it (also means machineguns are OP in the current version). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svidangel Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Heh, try shooting really far past the target in a straight line through it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VortexDr Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 There's a bug in the Steam version where misses frequently don't scatter far enough to actually miss the target. It means long-range inaccurate shooting hits far too often. The next version will fix it (also means machineguns are OP in the current version). Bummer, lol because my machine gun guys are the only people able to hit the broad side of a barn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dranak Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Bummer, lol because my machine gun guys are the only people able to hit the broad side of a barn Positioning is your friend. Shooting straight on into cover results in extremely hit chances (unless you are able to outright destroy the cover). Try out flanking the aliens to get higher percentage shots. Also supression is great for reducing the number of shots aliens fire at you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerfectDeath Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 It is cheating when they hit your guys behind a wall that provides full body cover because the alien can see through the walls; after bombarding that wall enough they eventually will slip a shot through. =P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenomorph Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Ok so maybe not cheating but WOAH ... What .. the Hell ... lol ... I just went to a downed UFO, Those Lizard men looking freaks, and i have two men hiding behind a wall ... I have roughly 17% chance to hit with max TU's thrown into an aimed shot ... bear in mind, I also have a 50% chance of hitting the Wall the lizard-thing is hiding behind, so all in all I'm basically screwed with aimed shots. My sniper is a little farther up the map, not too far, but has a 57% chance of hitting with full TU in aimed shot ... Turn one ... Everyone misses, Alien auto-shots destroys the wall one of my people is behind and hits another one. Turn two ... Everyone misses, Alien auto-shots "Two" of the shots kill one of my men ... Turn three ... Everyone misses, Alien auto-shots, Hits my other man behind the wall killing him too. So my question is ... What the hell is the alien accuracy with burst shot ... they never seem to miss, and two of a three burst connecting, even though with fully aimed shots I'm not topping 20% ... Whats going on here, I know there's meant to be a challenge, but when your soldiers are being wiped out because they're so blind they couldn't hit themselves, and fighting enemies that just cant miss if they wanted too, The appeal of playing the game really just starts to fade away ... To end it all, after losing 4 men in 4 turns I just turned it off ... If i cant hit them I may as well pack up and go home! %to hit is way lower if aliens are in cover, you have to destroy the cover first. If you still have ballistic weapons, forget about it, use stun grenades, flashbangs for suppression. Covers will go down easily once you get plasma, by then the only good cover is the dead alien that wont shoot at it And you're right about alien spam spray fire, its quite insane accurate, even across the map when they're using spotter. Gotta be VERY careful. Stun grenades and flashbangs are your friends, if things get tight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svidangel Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Still finding flashbangs useless. I get more suppression from shooting the ground a couple of times near someone vs throwing 3-4 flashbangs right in their face. Maybe I need to try using them earlier in the game or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sathra Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 You have to use flashbangs from 10 tiles or under away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinky Kel Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 how does that work? Surely the flash bang itself is the object that causes the suppression not the person throwing it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sathra Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Its a bug. They use the same code as shooting, which has a reduction in damage (this include stun grenades, but not their gas) past effective range (10 for grenades in vanilla). I hope it gets fixed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svidangel Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Oh right, keep forgetting that, and trying to use them again, and being disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sathra Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 They also won't work very well against higher ranked aliens due to their inherent suppression resistance. Should be more effective than a couple rifle shots though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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