ShadowFox Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I feel sorry for BOTH Desura and also for Chris and his team. The way I personally see it is that it is technically no one's fault. These things happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomsticksimo Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 btw all the maps with snow are just so much fun to play on and it looks wonderful in the game . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen844 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 So is this now beta or not yet? The road map was obviously delayed, but now I'm just confused on where we are at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorlom Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) So is this now beta or not yet? The road map was obviously delayed, but now I'm just confused on where we are at. Not beta. still alpha. still likely to be a build or two before beta. I think any extra hassle(if any) would be far outweighed by the fact that using Desura infuriates people like me(and others judging by this and V16 thread) who are willing to donate time to test. I for one am now just going to skip playing the Alphas and Betas and just wait for the full version; because I don't want to use Desura or download 2G every week. I would have been happy to test, log bugs and generally contribute but I refuse to use a broken system like Desura. I'm honestly not sure which is more Alpha; Xenonauts or Desura. I suspect that the testing plan for this project is entirely based on community testing. I also think the longer people are forced onto a broken and generally non-functional content management system like Desura the more likely it is that the available testers pool will diminish. Which is sad because having a large community of testers can turn a something from "ok" to "great". I think that might actually be a good thing at this point. Kind of a gate check, "you need to be this patient to alpha test this game". So that a lot of people don't turn away from this game just because of a few pre beta crash bugs and start spamming the world wide web with complaints about Xenonauts on ill informed assumptions. Edited October 18, 2012 by Gorlom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzles Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I think that might actually be a good thing at this point. Kind of a gate check, "you need to be this patient to alpha test this game". So that a lot of people don't turn away from this game just because of a few pre beta crash bugs and start spamming the world wide web with complaints about Xenonauts on ill informed assumptions. Do you see why in one of the other threads I posted that I think Introversion's "Charge ~£30 for the alpha, ~£15 for the final product" they've used with their new game is actually probably rather sensible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorlom Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Yep, and I agreed with that when I read it. (just didn't see a point in posting that agreement at the time) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen844 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Not beta. still alpha. still likely to be a build or two before beta.I think that might actually be a good thing at this point. Kind of a gate check, "you need to be this patient to alpha test this game". So that a lot of people don't turn away from this game just because of a few pre beta crash bugs and start spamming the world wide web with complaints about Xenonauts on ill informed assumptions. Do you see why in one of the other threads I posted that I think Introversion's "Charge ~£30 for the alpha, ~£15 for the final product" they've used with their new game is actually probably rather sensible? That is just ridiculous to say we should use a mostly broken tool like Desura or a crazy high pre-order price as a way of vetting quality/truly dedicated alpha/beta testers. First of all, pre-orders get benefits, not handicaps (higher price pooint), thats the point of a pre-order. We aren't in mid 90's anymore where EBGames would run out of stock, which was the point of a pre-order a decade ago. Second, broken sofware (Desura) benefits nobody. To suggest otherwise isn't worthy of your name color. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorlom Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) That is just ridiculous to say we should use a mostly broken tool like Desura or a crazy high pre-order price as a way of vetting quality/truly dedicated alpha/beta testers.First of all, pre-orders get benefits, not handicaps (higher price pooint), thats the point of a pre-order. We aren't in mid 90's anymore where EBGames would run out of stock, which was the point of a pre-order a decade ago. Second, broken sofware (Desura) benefits nobody. To suggest otherwise isn't worthy of your name color. Me and Buzzles didn't say preorders should pay more. The idea (originally by introversion) was that alpha access would pay more. This would mean that those that are just looking for a game get what they want and people with (presumably) a little more insight into what alpha is gets to help out with testing. You would be surprised if you knew how many times people has misunderstood what alpha build means already. The only reason this is even being discussed is because oh so many on the internet feels "entitled" or whatever (I see a lot of people using that word when whining on people that are whining about ridiculous things. not really sure I understand the concept though... are probably other words that are better suited) and voice loud uninformed complaints. we have one guy on this forum that are on the line to saying that the Xenonaut project is on it's way down the drain and shutting down because he doesn't think there has been enough progress... 0.o quite frankly I'd rather have Desura soak all the whine coming from people like that. Better that than have them spread blatant lies about Xenonauts because they didn't bother to get all the facts. worthy of my name colour? what the? do you even know why my name is green? a hint: I'm not a moderator. Edited October 18, 2012 by Gorlom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thothkins Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I really don't see the Desura issues as some sort of rite of patience, to be worthy of testing the game. What I do see it as, is a major pain in the rear end that soaks up the very limited amounts of time I get to play the game at all. I spend as much time failing to download it/ trying to get Desura to admit there's an update for it/ waiting for them to verify it as I do playing the actual game. I've had a whole mission in v16, but here I am trying to download v16.1 in time for the weekend. At least this one will be here for the weekend. Getting it an update available on a Sunday evening has never been the best personally. So, the time I could be trying things out in gets wasted instead of actually getting to check and report bugs. That can't be good. I know that it's the huge number of files, but it would try anyone's patience, it really would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorlom Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 You know you could play the last stable version and not update your game until the forums declare the new update to be stable if you are short on time. But that would be cheating wouldn't it? In an ideal world Desura would not be a kind of rite of passage. it would work perfectly and let you update your stuff every time without hassle. But concerning whining I'm still somewhat happier if Desura soaks it all up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tass Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Hey folks.. I've made a binary patch for V16 to V16.1 that seems to work. I just need a bit more testing, and I've mentioned it to Chris and Gio. So as long they don't object I'll send out a link later for people to try... just keep in mind it is NOT OFFICIAL at all... caveat emptor, etc etc But it is looking like 45M exe (sorry Windows only ) for going from 16 to 16.1 .. may even try to add last build of 15 in there.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNoyce Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 That's excellent news.. Desura's being a real pain for all right now, so any way around having to fight with it, is a welcome relief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzles Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) That is just ridiculous to say we should use a mostly broken tool like Desura or a crazy high pre-order price as a way of vetting quality/truly dedicated alpha/beta testers.First of all, pre-orders get benefits, not handicaps (higher price pooint), thats the point of a pre-order. We aren't in mid 90's anymore where EBGames would run out of stock, which was the point of a pre-order a decade ago. Second, broken sofware (Desura) benefits nobody. To suggest otherwise isn't worthy of your name color. Apart from pointing out the fact we're not talking specifically about Xenonauts and actually expanding on a previous topic that's graced these boards, I'll refer you to Gorlom's excellent reply. Come to think of it, Chris could have gone a similar way to Introversion by only allowing Premium Pre-orders access to the Alpha. You do already pay more for the Premium package anyway. I know that if I ever decide to make a game seriously and take pre-orders for it (rather than what I currently do and knock small things together to test ideas/technology), I'll certainly be following Introversion's cue. The situation with Desura is rubbish and I fully sympathise with anyone having problems. Edited October 18, 2012 by Buzzles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tass Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) As a previous developer/designer all I can do is offer some hope and back you up guys. To those of you "testing" this during the Alpha.. while I could rant, it would be pointless. Those that understand what it is about are supporting, those that don't will hopefully just leave. This is a great opportunity for all of us, and the GiR (Guys in Red!) are giving everyone a great chance to make this their game and ours... I'm sorry Goldhawk/GiR have to deal with this... try your best to shrug it off and just focus on your passion.. it usually pays off at the end (: Edited October 19, 2012 by tass need coffee to see colours right (: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorlom Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 GiG (Guys in Green!) To whom are you referring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Übermensch Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Hello again guys, I just wanted to know if I buy now the alpha I will be able to play the lastest version? Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorlom Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Hello again guys, I just wanted to know if I buy now the alpha I will be able to play the lastest version? Thanks, Yes, if you can download it from Desura (without the technical problems some of the other users has) then you will be able to play the latest version. But since it's an alpha build it will have bugs. some of them of the CTD kind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Übermensch Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Yes, if you can download it from Desura (without the technical problems some of the other users has) then you will be able to play the latest version. But since it's an alpha build it will have bugs. some of them of the CTD kind. Yeah, that's something that makes me afraid Thank you sir, I better wait for tomorrow when is more probably we are going to have more news, and good ones I hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tass Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 To whom are you referring? I need my coffee more and work less Meant Red.. *sigh* off to edit... thanks (and more coffee and/or sleep) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gribbstar Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Quick question about update frequency as I'm new around here. I see from the previous posts it happens roughly every 2 weeks, is this an intended schedule or are patches just a case of 'when its done'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceVamp Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 The main updates 14, 15, 16 etc. are a bit "when it's done" ish, but hey follow a schedule of Goldhawk's. Hotfixes usually come about quite fast. 17 is planned to be out in about three weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tass Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Cross-post... Hello folks, I have a binary patch that will take you from V16 to V16.1 , and is only 45MB in size!. This is for Windows ONLY and is 100% not official or supported, but with those caveats Chris has no objections to my sharing. I have used this for my own system, both at home and at work (: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/px48nnlmrcqzzaj/0X8yhxdxvL Grab the V16_to_V161.exe binary , doubleclick and follow the prompts. There are MD5 checksums there as well for the paranoid. Hopefully this works for Windows folks, but i'll try to help as I can. Some folks have tried and said it works too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rp03ev Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Anyone else crashing back to the desktop at random times? I'm playing it on Win7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erebus2075 Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Anyone else crashing back to the desktop at random times?I'm playing it on Win7. sadly yes. 16.1 version. crashes oftend on missions.. haven't really been able to play much due to it hoping it gets fixed soon, seems like alot of people are having it ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irdr Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 yeah I was playing a quick battle yesterday and that happened p annoying OK so what I wanted to ask though was this: I was playing V16 tother day and I hit up a farm map after a successful interception right, and because I knew about the crash issue w civilian wall vaulting or whatever and that a new version was coming out p soon I was like oh shit bro better save my game so I did. Anyway time travel ahead to right now now when I've got V16.1 and I've loaded that game, it still crashes consistently during the alien's turn Anyway yeah my question is: am I still getting these crashes because the save was made in V16, or is the bug still present? Should I upload my save game? I tried that shit in debug mode and it gave me this shit, I dunno maybe it's helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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