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What Do You Think is the Best TBS Game of All Time?

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In my opinion, it's Silent Storm, it was way ahead of it's time(2003), with ballistics, rag-dolls, and completely destructible environments, and still holds up very well today. It's expansion pack, Sentinels, then proceeded to take everything about Silent Storm and improve on it.

So, what do you think is the best turn based strategy of all time?

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As far as greatest turn-based games, I'd give second place to Silent Storm. It was a great game with many mechanics yet to be surpassed by new games but it did have a major few flaws (unpatched grenades anyone?). Alpha Centuri takes first place as the more I play it, the more I realize how carefully all the different elements of the game mesh together. It feels like it has a real ecosystem and economy for the game world where every action a player takes has a tiny effect across the whole planet.

I also have Hammer and Sickle which uses the Silent Storm engine and that should be a great game with improvements over Silent Storm but the scenario designer was ignorant. Every mission starts out with your squad face-to-face at point blank range with the enemy. Stupid and boring and a good way to take the fun out of what should have been a highly enjoyable game.

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Hmm, the bot reads more like Vietnamese.

The greatest TBS? Tie between Civ 1 and Apocalypse, for me. This is a genre in which personal opinions are always going to weigh in, there are just too many good games:

-Civillization series

-Civ spinoffs like Alpha Centauri and Colonisation (heck, there was an official X-Com expansion for Civ 2!)

- X-Com series

- Silent Storm series

- Jagged Alliance

- Master Of Orion 1&2

- Galactic Civilizations

- Space Empires series

- sooo many console TBS games like FF Tactics, Tactics Ogre

- Armageddon Empires

and that is barely scratching the surface... it's so hard to choose! Don't make me choose just one! :P

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Turn based strategy game? For me, Master of Orion 2. I had the original then MOO2 came along and I was fangirling all over it. Still am, if I'm totally honest.

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1st: Silent Storm mainly for the mass destruction that I can organically sneak in the back of the German Testing Site then storming in and silently knifing down every sentry guard at their watchtower and executing a 1-round elimination of the rest of the guards where my soldiers are strategically placed to be able to pop the heads of even a hard to reach enemy in a small window

With a tactical rocket launcher opening into the radio tower interiors just to take out the last guy standing with a sniper in full unrestrained 3 dimensional physics. Reason why I chose this first

2nd: X-Com for the honour of it's creation of this hate-love relationship with TBS games. Definitely would play this game if I was a born in the 80s but being a 90s kid sort of burn my eyes and brain with the graphics and un-streamlinilyness.

3rd: Jagged Alliance 2 fits on this list. It deserves a place in this list for being the most in-depth TBS game, but again, I feel ashamed to be a graphics whore against this otherwise wonderful gold-star game.

4th will be Xenonauts :D Of course, all of this are turn-based tactical squad RPG (mygodthatislong) that I deemed best of all time.

Max, you have to take care of the invasion of the spamfest synthetic morons. Last I remember when I was in another forum, they just launched a porn link spamfest with lots of blood. Not pretty.

@Trashman I get the feeling that sudoku part came from a commenter in a medieval Feudal Japan Hack-and-Slash game. Damn hilarious.

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Mmm - physics allows for so much fun in games like this. My favorite is still collapsing an entire tower block owned by a hostile corp in Apocalypse to wipe out the aliens, but Silent Storm had it's moments.

Enemy soldier hiding in the basement ready to pop the head of any trooper I send down? place charges and drop the ceiling on his head - simples! :D

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Silent Storm. Other than adding in those silly mechs, that game was absolutely amazing. I never could get into Jagged Alliance, especially once they added (or always had?) the ability to play basically in real-time. I mean, I don't hate real-time at all, but it really felt...I don't know, strange in that game. I do happen to like the UFO: A- games, even though they are basically real-time.

Never could get into X-COM Apoc. Played it, beat it, but once I did, I never played through it again. It just felt so...90s. The art, the environments, just ew.

Also, I can't believe the first X-COM game came out in '94. I was 13. Makes me feel old, but I could've sworn it was older than that!

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Chess

That's all I add to this discussion.

Although, one more game: 'Battle Isle' from Blue Byte back in the early 90's. I really loved it.

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Battle Isle, wow - that goes back alright. Wonder what the oldest known strategy game is? I somehow think it would be simpler than chess, but I don't really know..

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The best TBS games for me are:

-- X-COM series: UFO: Enemy Unknown (1994), TFTD and Apocalypse.

-- Xenonauts

-- Silent Storm series: SS1, Sentinels and Hammer & Sickle

-- Master of Magic

-- Master of Orion 2

-- Heroes of Might & Magic (I-IV)

Regards

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I don't know what the oldest strategy game is but I did play a turn-based western gunfight game on the Apple II a couple times. Must have been around 1989 and it was copyrighted in 85. Pretty advanced for the day. heh

[video=youtube;MyBSH6aq17M]

I had fun though I didn't get much chance to play it.

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They finished the openufo project and they are crazy mods for it as I check their mod forum.. new weapons enemies everything.. if there is no xenonauts I am sure I will be playing them..

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personally, i loved the UFO series

anyone still play those

Which ones? UFO aka X-Com, UFO: ET, or UFO: After-x series? All good series, mind! UFO Aftershock/Afterlight were the only two that had a halfway decent reason for the aliens only arriving in small doses instead of just curb-stomping us :)

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Which ones? UFO aka X-Com, UFO: ET, or UFO: After-x series? All good series, mind! UFO Aftershock/Afterlight were the only two that had a halfway decent reason for the aliens only arriving in small doses instead of just curb-stomping us :)

When people say "the UFO series", it usually means the After- series. You know, since nothing else has been an actual series of games titled UFO.

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When people say "the UFO series", it usually means the After- series. You know, since nothing else has been an actual series of games titled UFO.

probably should have said the UFO After series

(sounds like a crap fairy tale)

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probably should have said the UFO After series

(sounds like a crap fairy tale)

Sorry - I can be a bit pedantic on occasion!

For those who said Jagged Alliance - an interesting bundle had just gone up. It includes the Eador games and the original Jagged Alliance:

http://www.bundlestars.com/all-bundles/masters-of-strategy-bundle-2/

Something to fill the gaps until Xenonauts 2: Terror of the Shallows is released (I can dream :))

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Chess

That's all I add to this discussion.

Although, one more game: 'Battle Isle' from Blue Byte back in the early 90's. I really loved it.

Talking of 'Battle Isle', I'd also like to throw in its spin-off 'History Line: 1914-1918'.

I remember looking forward for 'Battle Isle' to finally appear for my Atari ST, but after months of waiting, plans for a release on this platform were cancelled. 1-2 years later I finally got my first PC, and 'History Line' was one of my very first games on that. I played it for years to come. Ironically, I never played 'Battle Isle' ... well, except 'Incubation', which was another excellent TBS title by Blue Byte. A couple of years ago I also quite enjoyed the hardly known 'Fallen Haven 2 Liberation Day'.

In terms of modern games I of course love 'Xenonauts', 'XCOM: Enemy Unknown', 'Battleworlds: Kronos', 'The Dark Eye: Blackguards', 'Battlefield Academy' and 'Panzer Corps'.

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