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i selected community in the properties and then betas tab. It needs wine to play... otherwise it just does not run. But it works fine so far. only not the latest version

In linux steam version is still 0.34.1

Hello all! First i would like to say that the game is very good so far! i'm impressed with the work of such a small team of developers. it tottally maintains the spirit of the original and it's better than the new xcom in many things. One of things is the music, it is amazing, and for me its one of the more important aspects of a game and its difficult to see games with good music. Well here goes my suggestions: 1. I find difficult to use grenades, they have a short range and very small blast radius. 2. There should be more explosive ammunitions, its fun! 3. the improving of stats could be different. I also get improved tu's or accuracy and nothing else. I think there could be other factors to improve strengh and bravery. 4. im only in begging of game, but i don't like how we breach the small ufo. The flashbangs don't stop the aliens from shooting in next turn, they are weak, i always find better to shoot them, so the flashbangs become irrelevant. Sometimes there are 3 aliens inside and there is no way to not get shot at. Maybe there is some tactic i haven't figured out. also many times it seems weird that so many aliens com from that small ship... its like they are stuffed in there. Also i find kind of easy sometimes to guess where they can be, maybe the spawn points could be improved or more varied. 5. I know some maps are still to improve, but some have no cover at all, specially desert maps. And i almost don't get city maps. but maybe that's beggining. congratulations!

Sorry this I haven't seen... but maybe I will pirate it from web ... its probably from some suckers like paramount or some crap corporation

well i only found this in portuguese http://publico.pt/Cultura/estudo-espanhol-diz-que-musica-esta-cada-vez-mais-igual-1558020 this study the article refers to was made by CSIC, its some spanish public entity of investingation. i tried to search in other languages but i cant maybe if you make a translation of page to your language...

Well right now it is almost in strict accordance to Adam Smith! its funny because most people never read it, did you read it? But you are living it! you should start reading if you didn't because the bussiness models you are living now is very much enlightened by A.Smith and off course have much evolved to something even more unfair. There are some passages in his books that are pretty scary, but nothing that is not happening right now. Anarchists were repressed and killed by marxists, like lenin and trostky for example. it would be a good joke if it didn't show the ignorance about the society we live in. Did you ever read Marx? Do you know the difference between socialism and anarchism or libertarian socialism? Nevertheless I will leave with a quote by Adam Smith, he's simpling guessing the own future of his ideal system. “Wherever there is great property there is great inequality. For one very rich man there must be at least five hundred poor, and the affluence of the few supposes the indigence of the many. The affluence of the rich excites the indignation of the poor, who are often both driven by want, and prompted by envy, to invade his possessions.”

Well right the market is deciding who becomes rich and starves. The market off course is you and me. But the end results of that is arbitrary. So you have artists who work their asses off and get no money because their are not commercial. If you think that's fair that somebody works and gets no money for that then it is worthless to discuss. If you don't agree that people should starve even if they work, or that art is not all about commercial then we should discuss what system we want better. Not me general, but as all we all, as in our communities. Another thing to consider is the market becomes not even longer you and me, because there is marketing, and marketing makes those who have money able to convince people to buy things they don't need (im simply quoting marketing literature). The end result of that, is a few artists getting rich, and a large majority struggling to survive, or not being able to work in what they want. Other end result is the end of diversity in art. Go see recent studies on the diversity of music for example has marketing and markets evolve? The complexity of the music is dissapearing in commercial music, it all has the same kind of sound. The same happens with games. But considering we are living in the system of capitalism the a good way not to let this commercial products to obtain such richness is not buying them or pirating them. But it should be organized boycott and organized pirating (like it exists right now).

I think if we would discuss moral issue when we talk about piracy then we have to discuss ideology. to discuss ideology in this matter we would have to discuss capitalism. I for one, do not believe i should be feeding with money people who are already rich. As I believe art is the same, commercial or not, all artist should receive in somewhat similar way. So i do believe in what chris was talking about pirates that pirate only big companies. Also don't forget most money of you goes to marketing and owners of record companies or big game distribuitors in case of games. I don't think metallica, or britney spears need to get more money specially the bloodsuckers around them. It is unjust and eventhough I consider myself non-authoritarian socialist or anarchist i will quote a democrat Thomas Jeffersson, "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.". So i believe there is a fair side to piracy even if it damages wealth. But i dont believe we should pirate small indie games, not that i find it imoral like some say, i just think we should support them so that they could live of what they do (normally they can't) and sometimes are forced to go into commercial art, instead of exploring their ownself. Just for you to see how unfair the big companies are. Most games 99% are not even available for linux, and these big companies only would need a bit of their time to port the games. But a small companies a lot of times do, like xenonauts, even if it takes some of their time with small members working for them. Its this commercial attitude that i think should be challenged. Big companies dont care about minorities, not in OS they use, or even game tastes. Its all about money, its not art anymore! Capitalism specially in art should be challenged right way, if we want to have diversity!

i also confirm seeing this bug

I think it is still not there. there will be a linux version, but in the words of chris on first post: "- Linux Version: A Linux version of V14.11 is currently being set up on Desura. From when I get back, the Mac and Linux releases should be a bit more proven and we'll keep them synchronised better with the Windows versions." Meanwhile the game works in wine (just download the windows version) and use it in wine, i played it and no bugs except for the same you can see reported in windows, maybe with very reduced framerate, but in version 14 the framerate was at least 3 times better in wine.

I forgot also to ask when the linux port will be available.

I was actually thinking it would an enormous leap to go from this version 14 to beta anyways. And has for holydays I think it will be good for xenonauts, its good to get away for a while and come back stronger push for a proper beta release. It would be cool to have again the new milestone for next versions even if not sure about them, with features to be added like you did for 3 builds to beta. Also I would like to know if there will be new maps in this 15 version.

Hi! I noticed a huge increase. I am using linux and the game through wine. When a larger map would come it would be really slow sometimes like 6fps. And now its around almost 30fps. I completelly changes the game! Nice work!!

That was hilarious! At least one thing good made of this argument, you are funny. but if you said you also had to put on some x-ray glasses to see that there was no bones in my argument it would be the cherry on top of the cake. But you don't respect me at all? How old are you? are you old enough to play games envolving shooting? you don't know me, at best you don't respect piracy, or even my arguments. And why Im not serious? Im Captain Hook who came in the name of pirates to just enter here to fuck this conversation? What did I say to make you so upset? I really don't get it... really!? You can think im stupid or something, but keep it to yourself, or send me a private message if that makes you happy, but stop entering into personal attacks, it can get not very pleasant if you continue. But going back to the more serious matter piracy. I don't think all people that pirate have social concerns, or are warriors against large corporations. Actually most people do pirate, if all this people were conscious about the capitalism and big corporation evilness, then I think the system would have changed already. But I think that if you are conscious pirate, if you only pirate things from big corporations and support small business and artists with what you can give , I think this is the most conscious thing you can do right now in my opinion.

Well if you think EA does not care about piracy look at this exchange of emails between pirate bay and EA: http://static.thepiratebay.se/ea_response.txt Piracy mostly hurts companies more than developers or artists. Just look at statistics i send before, a lot of artists believe in piracy and most believe it helps advertise their products, all companies think it is bad to piracy. But from one point you I think you are right, piracy makes the develop DRM and other kinds of stupid systems, damaging the consumer. This is something I think you have got a point. In someway there is a sort of similarity between this and patent seeds. For example in India is forbidden for farmers to save some of their own seeds because of patent violations (saving seeds is like making a copy of the seed). In reality this is a way for companies like monsanto to keep their income, because seeds have to be bought by farmers every year. There is a civil disobedience movement who rejects this law and saves seeds even if they can get arrested. Also companies invented what they call a terminator seed, which does not reproduce after the first crop. It reminds of the attempts for copy protection. Of course you can't compare this to games, i mean this farmers are poor, their are being completelly owned by corporations, and the social implications of this are devastating, including suicides of farmers who can't continue their living. But what this comes down to, is a think the anti-piracy law is outdated. It does not make any sense in todays world. Almost one hundred per cent of people who can pirate things, I bet even a lot of people who say are against it. Music, movies, whatever it is. I don't know anybody around me who does not pirate things, except for old people who don't access a computer. This business model is absolete, that is what is taking time for companies to understand because if they have no control, then artists, developers can be on their own and don't need to be under big distribuitions. Just look how many musicians now have their own record label? before it did not exist, musicians had to fight to get a contract for a record label, who then started controling their lifes and incomes. With the age of internet and file sharing this started to change. Systems like Kickstarter are great. However imoral some people think it is, and I think the discussion will not evolve in this part, the future I think will be that all music, games will be copy free. You just have to look how things happen, the only ones pushing on the contrary are big companies because their still living in the past because they need their absolete business model, and that's the only way they make money.

Come on Gorlom, you really don't help the discussion if you call me names and doubt my seriouness. That's why there is rules in forums so people don't get into personal attacks. Look I don't mind been called names, and I understand its hard to accept other opinions, I know that for myself. Sometimes we have no arguments or its difficult to explain the arguments and we go into personal attacks. That said I haven't heard really good arguments in favor of piracy, except that its like stealing or its wrong (without explaining why). I think right and wrong are really difficult topics to discuss. But you are lucky here everybody wants artists to get what they deserve for their work. Only we have dissagrements about piracy and the way its being delt with. You have to put in mind that more than 90 per cent of people pirate things, you are not going to solve much if you continue with just saying its wrong and stealing. There is a lot of work been done by artists to change the scheme of their bussiness and sometimes it really works. There are even artists saying piracy is great like, And we have to discuss when we are breaking the law, like we do in piracy, we have to see when its bad and when its maybe not so bad that's why i compared shoplifting in big corporation or local grocery. Like the movement yomango - http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2005/08/68609

I never implied that you should pirate xenonauts, or any indie game, actually I paid for xenonauts. I was talking about big industry. I never said it was ethical to pirate every game. The same with stealing in some big multinational supermarket or the local small bussiness grocery, they are two completelly different things!

hey calm down vivisector! Listen its not an analogy, its a comparising (or whatever it is in english). There is no need to be so slave to the letter, try to read what im trying to say, there is no cup to win in the end of the forum. And maybe i can be stupid and retarded but I believe we live in such stupid world sometimes it could be an honor to be called that. What i meant is that something for being ilegal its not necessarily bad. And there are situations that stealing or copying is for me moraly justified. Im not comparing robin hood kind of stealing to pirating in all aspects of the thing. Its the same with borrowing the car comparising, it was not an analogy. Because somebody in the forum was saying it was stealing like borrowing someone's car without consent, I think if you are comparing it with be more right to say it is with consent because somebody that has the copy of the game makes possible for others to have it. Also the idea that because somepeople are loosing money with it, does not justify to make it ilegal, has would for be certain things that we share with each other it with be annoying to make it ilegal just because somebody is not profiting with it. I the point I was meaning about free advertising it was not for consumers but for developers. Sometimes the fact that people can pirate. but look at this article i think it is interesting for discussion: http://torrentfreak.com/artists-dont-think-piracy-hurts-them-financially-110412/

you can call it stealing, ilegal, morally wrong, etc. But for me its not about judgement, this kind of judging and moral super truths don't work for me. I think we have in common is: *We want all software developers to be paid fairly and live a good life, has any human being on the planet in whatever work he does Does piracy stop this from happening? I think sometimes it helps, advertising the product. You can repeat a thousand times its stealing its stealing, its wrong, its wrong... what does that matter? Robin Hood also stealed and still is a popular guy. You shouldn't be so square about things because you want to win arguments... People who are pirating don't care so much about your moral good boy arguments. And copying hurts more record companies and distribuitors than actual developers. Personally I have no much need for all this big industry. I think we should be looking at every case a different case, and analise and think for yourself and I leave a video for you all: http://www.freakonomics.com/2012/04/02/copying-is-not-theft/

First of all i don't see at all that piracy is stealing, and also i don't think it is an argument to say something is morally wrong, but to say why it is morally wrong. And that is what is what we should be thinking about... not that is wrong or right, or that its just justifications, but what is better and look and at this issue from all angles. Piracy is a copy of a game. Its not like stealing a car or getting the car without owners consent. A copy is giving by who owns the game. Now imagine this example, somebody,lets call mr x, buys a car, a porche, but this person likes his neighbours a lot, and the neighbours also like this car. So this Mr X guy decides this car is colective property and shares his car with everyone. Are the people using Mr X car thiefs? Porche can argue that because of this people are not paying whoever builded and created the porche and this is wrecking their business, so it is right for a rule who bans somebody to share property? What about second hand clothes? I dont buy clothes for more than 10 years, I reuse other peoples clothes who don't use it anymore because its not stylish or whatever. Should there be a law against reusing clothes because the stylists, and clothes manufactures can get ruined businesses? what if everyone starts reusing clothes? econimic colapse!! so we should ban 2 hand clothing? I think we should all think about this issues. There are musicians for example who are in favour of piracy. Even more, there are musicians who are releasing their work under creative commons licenses (like big industrial rock band Nine Inch Nails). They redesign their business... Like in games, kickstarter for example is one of the ways to get funding. Most artists mostly get screwed by big companies... and all this copyrights issues are mostly bullshit for someone to get loaded. For me this thing of copyright and patents has to be addressed by society. We have to have more public discussions on this issues... Bands like Nine Inch Nails are not much more rich then when they were inslaved by a record company and had a manager who got all the money, leaving at some point the musicians with nothing (has it happened to trent reznor). The linux development community shows that you can have a collaborative, opensource, copyright free system working and working very good. I think here lies future, not in copyright and intelectual property. This is past business, artist have to adjust to modern society and use piracy for their benefit, for advertising of their own product for example. You can get the game free... but if you want your name in the game, you want a physical copy of the game, you want to have Chris poster, whatever you pay for that... this is what innovating is, not going on complaning about how piracy is morally wrong. but its my opinion.

Hello! First of all i read all of Chris text but i don't agree with the substance, eventhough i can understand that a game developer wants to get money compensation for his work, i think this understandable but i think the problem is more on the economic system than on piracy itself. An artist almost has to sell himself sometimes, but i don't want to get to much into this philosophical discussion of capitalism, and that art is money and advertising and not art anymore. Xenonauts is the only game i ever paid money for. Mostly i played games when i was young and always pirated. I paid for xenonauts because i see goldhawk as an independent small company. I really don't give a fuck about this big game industries i hope everyone pirates them. I also use linux so most games are difficult to work 100 per cent, so commercial gaming is not much for me, altough sometimes i try some games for a bit. But truth be told i only got to know xcom because i got it pirated when i was teenager. I would never get to know it probably if piracy did not exist, because my parents would never pay for games. And so i got to know xcom and now the only reason I found xenonauts existed was because i was looking for some games like xcom, and im pretty happy about the development of it, eventhough i think the game could be legendary if more work with be put into it, with more mission types, forests, port attacks, etc. I was rather dissapointed that Chris was a bit tired of it and wasn't going to work after the game comes out... but its understandable. I think firaxis game will be interesting but i think xenonauts in its more simple way for me its more appealing. Sometimes wanting so much graphical beauty interfers with the fun of playing. But going back to the subject, piracy is not stealing, because it is a copy, nobody stays without it because somebody copied, and in financial terms for the game developers i really don't know how damaging it really is. I think it would be difficult to know... but in the case of xenonauts i think you should be happy that it existed because most xcom fans probably never bought the game xcom, and if they did, they probably first pirated and then so it was a great game a bought it! I think piracy as a role in making games accessible to everyone. Other thing i think also xenonauts is very cheap, which was good, but for me to pay for this large industry games, im not rich, and after i don't even know if will even really like it even if i played a demo. I have priorities in my life, buy organic food, I have a baby, i don't win a lot of money im really not a spender why should i pay for this big game industries? I don't even know how much this actually benefits the actual developers... or it all goes to marketing or stock holders of the company, people getting loaded of money and im here struggling to have good food on the table. And then it terms of moral judgement, I really don't look at life by with is legal what is not... I try to have my own ethics in this case, xenonauts i paid, because i thought it was fair, in other cases i analyse and see...

Hello! Im using linux mint, ubuntu based distribuition! i can test also!

I think the coolest thing in terror from deep was ship attacks and port and island missions! the underwater for me was not so good. I think adding this with too much now but maybe someone could try and make it in modding if they want also if there was an expansion pack with different kinds missions to cover also the terror from deep or other types, i would pay for that. The ground combat is the coolest thing for me in the game and where you spend most time, variety in it is a necessary element to make the game not boring after playing it a lot.

sorry Gorlom im not running anything in the back! maybe its the wine in linux issue? I can't say for sure, but i don't remember having this problem in the 10.2 build. because it becomes a bit annoying the slowness!

I have intel core duo with 2 GHz and 3Gb memory... still in xenonauts i get slow framerate. in for example a mission with the larger scout witch is the largest ship i found i get from 5fps to 3fps sometimes 2fps and 1... in the smaller scout i get like 9fps 10 im using wine in linux so maybe its from there. what do others experience?