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  1. I would love to beat alien stragglers after the final mission. Maybe some lore explanation where without the mothership, the aliens effectively become a huge refugee crisis with more zealous ones act as a guerrilla army hinding in any country willing to support them. If the faction features get brought back, I sure hope to see how humanity forever changed by the war and xenonauts influence. Something like paths where you take over the coalition or help one side to win the Cold War. All based on how much you support certain regions. The post game could have you further consolidate power by crushing any rebelling regions against the new world government. For instance, some post-USSR red army soldiers that allied with the alien guerrilla to take over a city and the xenonauts can go in and stop it in a NATO playthrough. Or maybe Xenonauts striking a criminal gang using smuggled alien tech in New York in a neutral playthrough. it could be cool to also see maps that portray the post-war situation with huge District 9-type alien cities built from ship wreckage with alien civilians as well.
  2. Xeroxth

    So, who wants more cool aliens?

    Me me I want more aliens! Most of the current aliens in the game now are fine some like the Sebilians are great redesigns. But I have to agree that the design of the ceasan as it is now is a little bit too cartoonish to my taste. They just really don’t look threatening at all. My conception of the invaders is a coalition of different slave races under the thrall of the Praetor civilization. Based on the heavy usage of genetic engineering and cybernetic implants within the aliens even from the first game. I think the devs should add more alien species to create more varieties in gameplay. I think the only requirement for the aliens is two just being able to carry weapons and some interesting mechanics added on. Aside from the moties and eosapien concepts I posted in the last thread, I do have a few more. First is just some kind of creature that resembles the fallout floaters. Weak, can only attack using electric tentacles but there’s a lot of them and is used by the aliens like scouts or attack dogs. They should be used along side the ceasans as the early game canon fodder. Next some type of shapeshifter or alien hybrids in the same vein of the thin men of the X-Com reboot. Just to enhance the feel of the secret war and infiltration missions. They can be mildly human but some higher ranking one by mid-game can just turn themselves into more alien forms as the second phase could be fun. The Androns and other drones could be retcon to have tiny aliens controlling them from the inside like the tiny aliens from the first MiB. Maybe we can have aliens that came from water worlds that lives containment suits. Aliens that are made of crystals that rather than using weapons can shoot out diamond like projectiles. Or even modular creatures that fell apart into multiple smaller aliens when injured. The possibilities are endless. First of all to get out of the conventional mold, there really should be some kind of alien that have multiple limbs or different vision cones. More legs like centaur alien or more arms so that the alien could use multiple weapons at the same time. Also I think that having a humanoid alien would be perfectly fine as long as the design is just some anthropomorphic animal like the Sebilian or just rubber-headed aliens like the Harridan. Something like the Wraith could be good if they have more limbs. Take a look at this Drii for instance. Man you have no idea how much I hate the concept of the codex in general. It’s both boring and somehow lore breaking at the sametime. Wow! A digital alien! How unique of of them to just have a human with weird texture! I think the need for a human enemy to fight could be easily addressed with the reintroduction of the Cold War setting. By your decision of help either the NATO or the Warsaw Pact in tech sharing and covert missions, one side will get increasingly hostile to the point of actively helping the aliens. By the end you would have to completely wipe out one faction to finally unite humanity in the war if you choose this path. The NATO or Soviet you fight will will have different tech and weapons coming from their regional bonuses. But this is entirely your choice. You can choose to help both equally (with the penalty being you will not get unique scientists, soldiers, factional technology and subsequently their exclusive weapons) to avoid fighting human enemies and only fight the aliens. Your decision will not only change the course of the war against the aliens but the future of the Earth as well.
  3. I would seriously love a way to utilize the captured aliens using non-lethal weapons. The last game is just so disappointing with you executing any survivors. I remembered a session where using just gas grenades I knocked out like 4 sebilians and 1 ceasan, I thought I was going to get some new research options but instead all of them get shot after the mission. There should be also some way of non lethal take down for civilians as well so that they wouldn’t get killed by reapers all the time.
  4. These are great suggestions especially the movement of JA2. I have always see JA2 as the gold standard for turn-based strategy game movements. Also having a lethal option for a melee weapons should be great. Starting with just a mono molecular edge knife or sword made with alien alloys to plasma torches and with something equivalent to 40k power weapons where the blade project a magnetic field that weaken molecular bonds wherever it hits.
  5. Very much this. The entire concept reeks of contrivances and nonsensical lore breaking just to replace a concept like alien commander interrogation (which can be done far better) with some more more mindless combat with an extremely annoying enemy. Seriously if the advent can do this, why do they even need to be a physical species at all? Why can’t they just transcend their physical forms and live out their days in gigantic matrioshka brains and live out their existence in perfect paradise to the heat death of the universe itself? Their design is also generic as hell, just another humanoid with a gun and some terrible techno textures pasted on. Even the Typhons from Prey were more visually unique. That’s pretty much what I proposed on the secret war thread for the second phase of all out war for the game. At first, the aliens only try attacking in remote areas to test our defenses. Then they start building bases and assassinating key VIPs and supporting certain third world countries to increase the DEFCON level and hopefully induced a WW3 scenario where they rule over the survivors. When that got foiled by Xenonauts, they would declare all out war with the Xenonauts desperately leading the charge to find a way to destroy their mothership in orbit while protecting the last remnant of the new world government (which based on your choices can be the NATO, the Warsaw Pact or even a new UN puppeted by Xenonauts). This will lengthen the game considerably and make the end game much less boring.
  6. I think it’s could be really cool if the soldiers stats also reflect in the air game. Maybe something about STR at certain threshold giving pilots different more varied ways of dodging fire from evasive roll to more advanced maneuvers, ACC giving a boost in rocket speed, and RFL giving a small bonus on cool down of dodging skills. Downed pilots could be a cool way of implementing rescuing VIP missions. Where after a failed air combat session, the aliens will land to try and kill your pilot and your soldiers can intervene.
  7. I think it would just be far better to just make a whole new enemy with tweaks to its AI, vision cone and weapon/skill load outs maybe different versions of already existing aliens. For instance an enemy that’s can fly like a Harridan but heavily armored and specialized on assault weapons like melee stun clubs, shotguns that can make fast attacks into the middle of your group of soldiers. Or an alien with a beam weapon/heavy artillery that can kill you soldiers in groups but is extremely lightly armored and need a turn or two to lock on to target, basically our version of a Doom Archville. Hell just an enemy that have two stages with the first being ranged and the second being melee focused would change the game base considerably. Or even a healer/mechanic alien. Or a trapper alien. The variety of game mechanics for enemies are limitless. Dude. The first game we already have our soldiers using singularity cannons, mind controlling psychics and aliens that can replicate themselves with eggs that grew in a pace that defied the common laws of thermodynamics like the Reapers. Xenonaus is NOT hard in any sense of the word. If we want the game to be actually hard sci-fi the aliens would just nuke the hell out of any big cities and ask for our surrender.
  8. To be fair in the book that alien is from they’re only seen to reach an early stage of making stone tools. Although they’re seen hunting and shooting down living jet plane animals with just spears so they’re indeed very strong. I did remember one time, a sebilian commander dropped his weapon for no reason and I had one of my troop beat him to submission with a stun baton but that was it.
  9. Xeroxth

    Weapon Asymetry

    Yeah I think I have to agree with @TrashMan here, one of the biggest fallback of the first Xenonauts was that it took away the asymmetrical nature of the original UFO defense which increased that game’s replayability tremendously. The first Xenonauts weapon progression was entirely number-based and wasn’t interesting at all. I basically was selling all old weapons without looking back every time I got a new weapon done. Making gameplay restrictive and disallowed any tactical maneuverability of the player. Talking about weapon variety, I think the best way is not only making multiple types of Xenonauts weapons but more strange weapons for the aliens as well. Making it clear that the weapons we made are still based on the same principles as theirs but in a lot of ways very different. We still use alien alloys, alenium and their electrical circuits but in entirely different ways. For instance their beam weapon can be a microwave beam that can shoot through walls and covers but very short ranged compared to Xenonauts laser beams. Or instead of our usage of plasma as ammunition and explosives, they use it like a high powered flamethrower. Maybe rather than using the energy capacitor for mag weapons, they use it like an electric arc gun, shooting chain lightning that can hit multiple targets. I want to see different variations of the same weapon type like you suggested but making them entirely based on what faction you work for to gain them. - BALISTIC 2 Straight upgrade from regular Cold War weapons US variant: Caseless ETC guns. Way more accurate but low ammo capacity and more APs to aim. Soviet variant: Gyrojet guns. The farther the enemy, the more damage it does (the gyrojet sniper can’t even fire at close range). Huge ammo capacity, big damage but lower accuracy. Basically the 40k bolter. - LASER more effective for mechanical enemies US variant: Pulse laser. But rather than using more APs to aim, it’s a power setting for the shot. The sniper version is very powerful. Soviet variant: Dune’s las gun cutting beams. The carbine version is just the 40k melta that can blow away doors (and anything behind it). - PLASMA More effective to biological enemies US variant: More easily controlled. Actually shoot bullets with plasma charges. Like a tiny version of the plasma missiles. Soviet variant: Shoot real plasma bolts. Much more powerful but can overheat and inaccurate. Large blast radius. - MAGNETIC US variant: Rail gun for snipers and coil gun for the assault rifle and carbine which shoot hyper velocity flechettes. Huge rate of fire, easy to reload. Higher damage and armor penetration and previous weapons. Soviet variant: Creates a field that rip apart armor and flesh in the molecular level. Huge APs cost each turn but can kill anything in one to two shots. - NONLETHAL Still the knockout gas, shock batons but now with higher tier weapons like tasers and neurolizers which can take control of civilians or stun aliens for one turn. - FLAMETHROWER US variant: fuel-based. Upgrade from regular napalm to alenium-laced gel that explodes after one turn to nanobot goo. Soviet variant:Thermobaric shmel. Later can be upgraded to be able to penetrate armor and kill robotic enemies. - ROCKET LAUNCHER at first still based on ammunition’s but later can get factional versions US version: Swarm missiles Soviet version: Advanced guided missiles. Can target anything within range and a vision lock from even other soldiers. - OTHER Singularity cannon or teleport gun (literally teleports bombs into target, going through all armor).
  10. That was great as well. But I would love for the alien weapons to be kinda similar to how Prawn weapons work in District 9. Where some like pistols and rifles can be used but very unwieldy but the heavy weapons are straight up unusable unless Xenonauts have researched devices that allow the troops to use them. These can be expanded to operating turrets of the alien ships, alien mortars and weapon platforms. Floating aliens are a really overused trope of the sci-fi game genre. I would love for the devs to make it as unique as possible without making it something as generic as a flying orb or eyeball. Maybe something like the Eosapien from Expedition where not only that they can float, they can “see” you through cover using sonars. Making them a specialist in using explosives like the deadly Plasma Cannons to just shoot our soldiers out of their hiding spots. Forcing the player to adapt and prioritize taking them down. Also thanks for reminding me how cool the physical cover of the original UFO game, that was so dope. Ah, what a shame. Back during the kickstarter I was truly hopeful of Goldhawk expanding the setting and fully using the cool backdrop of the Cold War in the sequel like they promised.
  11. Xeroxth

    Why was the Foxtrot removed?

    Ah, I see you’re a man of culture as well. Actually I know about mods that adds more starting guns. But in the context of your post, I thought you were talking about weapon mods as in attachments that modify the weapons.
  12. I actually intended to post the Old Ones as an example but then backed out on that . On the aspects of a possibility of an alien, I believe for a design to be plausible, they only need good sensory organs, powerful grasping limps and some intelligent the rest can be as free as any creator wants. In the case of just an alien with extra limps and without eyesight like the Ixchel can create some very interesting gameplay mechanics. For instance with multiple powerful arms they can fire and hold multiple weapons at the same time making them a level of flexibility unlike the Xenonaut soldiers but even better (3 pistols and a shield, one carbines and one sniper), while having only the sense of smell make them have a spherical vision rather than the normal cone of the other aliens making them difficult to just flank with a shotgun barrage. Or another example an alien like the Moties (from the book A Mote in God’s Eye), who have an asymmetrical body plan with two weak arms and a stronger single arm, can use a devastating melee weapon when closing in and shoot you with their rifles held by the weaker arms when they run away. The mutation of these species could be attributed to just genetic tampering by the Praetors. This I can really agree, the Thin men was a really inventive idea to incorporate the reptilian conspiracies into the game while being fitting for an infiltration style that the reboot was going for. But I can’t see that the enemy designs of the second game being any improvement upon the first. The Advent are just a justification of putting dudes with guns as the main goon type enemy for the XCOM to mop up, their gameplay variety was one dimensional at best while their armor was just generic sleek futuristic armor #32149 which can be easily outdone by even wolfenstein Nazis or half-life combine soldiers. The Faceless while being a very intelligent way of implementing shapeshifters back into the game (also good to scare the crap out of you once they suddenly transform) their design was really weak being just a shapeless blob with sharp claws something even the original three-eyed Thing from Who Goes There can out do. I mean an art style resembling old Cold War magazines was something the first game was going for and it really made it unique among its contemporaries. Some designs back then still really holds up even with their hammy-ness. Something the new reboot just can’t seem to do especially with XCOM 2 with their design being now even less inspired than 343 Halo in some cases. With having said all that, I actually think that the mechanics behind both the Andromedons and Gate Keepers are good and should be copied to X2 with some kind of enemies that change phases after certain levels of damage is dealt. Maybe some kind of alien cyborg that after loosing 2/3rds of its hp or your soldiers landing a headshot can separate into two forms: One is the brutish host which would go bezerk without the controller; and the parasite that will jump onto your troops or civilians to mind jack them (they can be killed with electric batons or emp grenades).
  13. Xeroxth

    Why was the Foxtrot removed?

    Woah, X1 had weapon mods? I never knew that. But I agree, adding more earth tech at first for some extra flavoring should always be commended. Further than that, what I was proposing is to not make it completely separated from the later part of the game like in X1. Where at first you can have so both Soviet and NATO weapons but by mid-game everything is just a linear tech advancement. The variety of faction tech should be further incorporated into the research tree to increase both the asymmetrical weapon and replayability of the game. The ability to research certain upgrades should be based on your favor with certain benefactor, some being locked behind a threshold of friendly relations. You can make a balancing act of helping both to get the general weapons with nifty add-ons. Or even better, go full factional to get the highest level tech of a single benefactor. For instance, if you help the NATO side, you can get an exclusive stealth nano-armor that can teleport to avoid enemies. On the other hand if you help the Warsaw Pact you can get a heavy dual weapon wielding heavy armor in the same mold as the cut Collosus armor of the first game, pretty much a walking mech. In a similar vein, the weapon progression could be modified to have different branches like a Soviet tesla arc/rad weapons, NATO EMP/Grey goo weapons, and neutral mag/singularity weapons. The same can be done for planes especially if each progressing planes from the MiG-29 and F-16 onward have different stats and configuration slots like FTL (the last tier being either based on the Soviet, NATO or neutral design). I don’t see it as politically driven at all. Sometimes it’s just the cool factor and gameplay choice really. Especially based on this thread I just see posters not really caring about politics but the Cold War aesthetics. Like you, I also have a fascination for weird looking but futuristic military gears but with a slight preference for stuff from the Soviet bloc. I mean who could deny the simple awesomeness of some of the prototypes like Object 279, MiG-105 or the 1K17 Szhatie (a freaking tank with freaking laser beams on its turret!!!)? But I agree, having just good looking weapons of neutral countries could be a good and easy way of solving this. Although my proposal could be really hard to implement seeing the virus situation in the UK now and it being a little too extensive for a small team like Goldhawk. I could help immensely with making the game not too repetitive in each playthrough as your choice in allies can both change the story ending and gameplay. Not to mention creating a unique feature that further differentiate the game from the current line of UFO-like games with the same generic sci-fi look (Phoenix Point despite trying to play up the factions still failed at doing anything other than adding unnecessary resources and not fleshing out any of them). Yeah, the devs did announced that they’re currently scrapping the Cold War setting. But seeing how receptive they’re in the forums and the later updates like returning the old base and air combat, to even rehiring the first game’s artist back into the project, I think this is also subject to change in the future.
  14. Yeah I think the first game improved on the formula of the original XCOM tremendously. Making it as much fun to play as OpenXCOM. What I really want from the new sequel is to expand on every aspect like the expanded air combat, more things to do on the geoscape, the research tree being more open rather than just a straight line of progression, actual factionalism between our Earth benefactors to make the story more than just a fight against an alien invasion but a turning point to the Cold War as well,... On the ground combat I just want more variety of aliens to really show that the invaders are a truly big threat in the line of other alien conglomerates like the Combine or the Covenant and a more fleshed out psychic protection, ground vehicles for both our troops and the aliens, and first aid. Just the first game but better. Yeah, this is a contentious issue for me as well. But hopefully with @Chris announcing that the recruitment of the first game’s artist, this will get fixed. The best case scenario is that we’ll get the cool ship designs of the first game, the worst is that it should look like OpenXCOM 40k mod which is still boxy but made an effort to look like something that flies and not a rectangular box. It would be really cool to see more unique aliens that don’t look humanoids. Really making it clear why we can’t just pick up and use their weapons.
  15. Xeroxth

    Why was the Foxtrot removed?

    The plastic armor of the reboot is what put me off from the reboot once I actually finished playing it. Most of the suits just feel too random and weird to be from an actual military organization. The only late tier armor I liked from the first game was the Buzzard and Sentinel. The rest could really use more details to make them more distinct.
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