Feedback on "Goldhawk Interactive & Piracy"

[ko2fan]

The makers of football manager said 9 out of every 10 copies of their game on android is pirated. Thats a 90% piracy rate so I can believe those stats.

[thothkins]

ooooh I'm going to have a look for that later. Then again, the real one used to suck up so much time. The last one I got was 2 years ago, and I don;t think I got past nosing at my team's players on the database

Well that's 2 for a 90% rip off. Does it not also throw out the "but the companies are making them too expensive" argument? I could barely spend my pennies the last time I was on the Android store. I was surprised at how cheap everything was game wise.

[Aleksi]

I think that the troll is still talking about music artists, and completely failing to realize that music artists make their money on the concerts rather than the royalties. Which is why Nine Inch Nails doesn't care that their CDs are pirated... its free publicity for the thing you can't pirate: being at their concerts.

Game developers would have a hard time performing live. I can't imagine that being very fun to watch.

The troll is actually saying that artists DO make music performing live.
As this is my field, and i have quite a good experience of live performing, i can say that this is wrong.
Most people take examples of bands that are at the "top". Millions of dollars of backing to perform. (And a 100% certainty of filling the concert hall).

For the other 99% of musicians; they basically get paid very little or not. I played in different countries and festivals and i can tell you the scene is pretty grim. The price of paying, lets say a band of 5 people, i huge. Transportation, hotels, food and check. Most festivals can't afford it. Bands playing in bars rarely get paid. I can go on for hours about the different situations...
Live does NOT pay. And, most artists don't sell albums as well. This is why most of them either teach, or have a side job.

I'm working on my first album today, and i've been on it for years. Most of my money goes in it. The Majors i'm in contact with keep telling me: "finish it, and then come see us". So, basically, i have to do all the work and fund it myself (hello Kickstarter!). Also, creating a Record Label is a real pain. Takes half your time in paperwork... (especially in France...).
The world is changing, and new systems arise. We are in the middle of a transition. Its hard to tell which way is good. Some are lucky, some less. Nonetheless, everybody is having a hard time.

The 1%, are the lucky ones, and most have worked good for it. I was in Air Studio last October for a recording session and Muse was in the studio next door. I peeked when they where away ( ), and was amazed of the equipment and funds they had. The sound engineer that was with me (and in the industry for 30 years now) was very impressed that a band, today, could pay a class A studio for a period of maybe 6 months, to compose and record. Like the old days. Good to see, but we're going to see less and less of that.

Piracy is a pain, but can also turn into free publicity. It seems like donation works better. Or in the case of Xenonauts, the pre-order/community involvement works great. I would love to do something similar in my field some day.

[Gorlom]

The troll is actually saying that artists DO make music performing live.
As this is my field, and i have quite a good experience of live performing, i can say that this is wrong.
Most people take examples of bands that are at the "top". Millions of dollars of backing to perform. (And a 100% certainty of filling the concert hall).

For the other 99% of musicians; they basically get paid very little or not. I played in different countries and festivals and i can tell you the scene is pretty grim. The price of paying, lets say a band of 5 people, i huge. Transportation, hotels, food and check. Most festivals can't afford it. Bands playing in bars rarely get paid. I can go on for hours about the different situations...
Live does NOT pay. And, most artists don't sell albums as well. This is why most of them either teach, or have a side job.

I'm working on my first album today, and i've been on it for years. Most of my money goes in it. The Majors i'm in contact with keep telling me: "finish it, and then come see us". So, basically, i have to do all the work and fund it myself (hello Kickstarter!). Also, creating a Record Label is a real pain. Takes half your time in paperwork... (especially in France...).
The world is changing, and new systems arise. We are in the middle of a transition. Its hard to tell which way is good. Some are lucky, some less. Nonetheless, everybody is having a hard time.

The 1%, are the lucky ones, and most have worked good for it. I was in Air Studio last October for a recording session and Muse was in the studio next door. I peeked when they where away ( ), and was amazed of the equipment and funds they had. The sound engineer that was with me (and in the industry for 30 years now) was very impressed that a band, today, could pay a class A studio for a period of maybe 6 months, to compose and record. Like the old days. Good to see, but we're going to see less and less of that.

Piracy is a pain, but can also turn into free publicity. It seems like donation works better. Or in the case of Xenonauts, the pre-order/community involvement works great. I would love to do something similar in my field some day.

My bad I oversimplified.

Regardless using musicians such as Nine Inch Nails to claim piracy is an alright thing to do is an incredibly flawed argument.

For the other 99% of musicians; they basically get paid very little or not.
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Live does NOT pay. And, most artists don't sell albums as well. This is why most of them either teach, or have a side job.

Just thought this part was important enough to repeat.
Piracy is bad, mmkay.

[raidsoft]

I found something interesting regarding the whole "piracy is stealing" debate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowling..._States_(1985)

So from what I understood about that is that in the eyes of the law (at least in that case) it's a clear distinction between stealing and piracy. The last paragraph sums it up quite nicely and I found it rather interesting that it had actually been addressed in court as far back as 1985! No idea if it's change since then though but I could see that being used as reference for other cases.

(Not trying to start up the debate again, just linking information that may or may not be interesting to you all)