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    Quote Originally Posted by The New Romance View Post
    ... and if we ever want to break into the "games are art" category (which I personally really wish for), the potential inclusion of about half the world's population is more than enough reason.
    Maybe, although as people have pointed out there is a certain amount of historical revisionism in having female front-line combat troops in a Cold-War era game*. To accurately portray a historical period, with the prejudices of that time intact, is not to imply that the creators of that work believe in those prejudices.



    * yes, I know that having aliens is also historical revisionism

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    It would help me with immersion, frankly. I know that 1979 wasn't exactly a beacon of tolerance and equality, but as a guy playing a game in 2012, female soldiers would be conspicuous by their abscence.

    Also, I like to think of my secretive international paramilitary group being an equal opportunity employer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flashman View Post
    All sprites on the battlefields would remain the same- once you have armour on who can tell.
    Everybody can see that this is a female in a "Colossus" armour???

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    - or?

    Last edited by oracle1990; 05-12-2012 at 07:05.

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    ...it reminds me of Wolverine powered assault armor from C&C: Tiberium sun...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The New Romance View Post
    Games have been about men more than long enough, and if we ever want to break into the "games are art" category
    I guess you are more likely to break into the "Games are politics category" then. Xenonauts is art in many ways women or not. And i dont agree with you at all when you say games have been about men. I can give you many examples of adventure games or roleplaying games of high quality that has women in them. Even some strategy games. Without being sexist about it at all, unlike the softporn movie Mass effect

    And in those games the women did get same sprites or animations as the men. Cause IF chris implement women, he should do it right. Portraits and picture in equipscreen is not a good way to show "half the worlds population" that you invite them to join.

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    I honestly think they should just focus on making the game better and more expansive. I really doubt there's that many women out there that care more about being represented as soldiers in a game, than they do about the game actually being a better game.

    As for theme, well, I don't believe it is thematically accurate at all to have many female soldiers in 1976. There have always been some female fighters in the world, but the chances of them ending up as one of the few dozen / hundred soldiers that pass through the ranks of the Xenonauts would be rather unlikely.

    Even if the administration of the organization is very progressive, you've still got a bunch of grunts born in the 40's and 50's, from all sorts of national backgrounds, that would probably make it difficult for women on the front lines to operate. Politically, you would risk international incident to enroll women in a program where 10 - 99% of your troops are going to end up vaporized by plasma guns or much much worse.

    But seriously? Theme doesn't matter that much here. The real meat of this issue is that design resources are limited and there's a whole lot of ground to cover.

    If they can get another artist whose job it is to just make more portraits, then okay, making those 30 female portraits is just as vital as adding more male portraits, so have at it. I would just hate to think they're going to have less terrain tiles or a few less research options due to lack of pictures for them, just so they can add a feature that might actually detract from the Cold War setting, but that probably won't happen.

    So, if this stretch goal actually helps get much more funding, then hopefully that will translate to plenty more time spent polishing and expanding the game. I just disagree with the notion that, in and of itself, this is very important. If it gets them more funding, cool.

    (edit): I don't know if it's all that wise to make new animations for female soldiers. In uniform, soldiers pretty much look like soldiers, and that's by design. Trained soldiers hold guns like any other soldier, they scale over fences like soldiers, they run like soldiers-- having gendered animations rather implies a lot. Besides which, once the heavier armors come in, or even just the Jackal armor, the bodies are really going to look the same at least from your zoomed-out view.

    So, even with female soldiers added in and implemented, I think having their own animation set would add very little to realism or immersion. Furthermore, if they wanted to animate a whole nother body and put it into the game, wouldn't it be a lot more useful and interesting to have another type of alien or a new set of body armor for your troops? Again though, if people want to help the studio reach the stretch goal just so they can have female troops, then it's no skin off my back.
    Last edited by Stromko; 05-12-2012 at 08:39.

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    One thing i would much rather want than female soldiers in this game are female and child civilians.

    That would be great for the fear and horror factor of the game, seeing children and women being mowed down in the streets by Sebillians. As now, Xenonauts streets are purely made of men.

    And that is a lot more strange, than having no women in the most elite fighting force of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidfoam View Post
    One thing i would much rather want than female soldiers in this game are female and child civilians.

    That would be great for the fear and horror factor of the game, seeing children and women being mowed down in the streets by Sebillians. As now, Xenonauts streets are purely made of men.

    And that is a lot more strange, than having no women in the most elite fighting force of the world.
    Agreed on women civilians; since civilians don't carry weapons they're easier to put into the game.

    Not sure about children though; I think in some countries you can get into some serious ratings issues if you have children potentially being killed, which is why games like Skyrim refuse to allow you to attack children

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidfoam View Post
    One thing i would much rather want than female soldiers in this game are female and child civilians.

    That would be great for the fear and horror factor of the game, seeing children and women being mowed down in the streets by Sebillians. As now, Xenonauts streets are purely made of men.

    And that is a lot more strange, than having no women in the most elite fighting force of the world.
    Alternative ending of the game:

    The only surving soldier (of course with your name/nickname) survive the resque of all the kidnapped women on the mothership...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrPyro View Post
    Not sure about children though; I think in some countries you can get into some serious ratings issues if you have children potentially being killed, which is why games like Skyrim refuse to allow you to attack children
    Ohh i see... lame. Not that i feel that you must be able to attack children. Just for realism and immersion and all. But i guess sometimes one must just accept the fact that we live in an anxious and slightly retarded world sometimes

    Actually i think the guys with shorts and white t-shirts in original X-com were supposed to be young boys. Quite tall for that age perhaps but i always saw them as youngsters.

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