Swe_Racoon

Moving away from the digital media a bit...

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As the title suggests. It goes without saying that most here are gamers of some sort, some of us (at least me) are primarily console gamers, others (like Ace, no offense) are die-hard PC gamers. We all play digital games, so to speak.

Now, what I was pondering, is there anyone on these forums who plays non-digital games? Mainly pen 'n papper RPGs or tabletop wargames, or why not trading card games? I myself do play a lot of PnP RPGs and a few tabletop wargames (Warhammer, Flames of War, Necromunda and looking at starting Malifaux).

The reason I ask is because I can't help but notice (at least get the impression) that they seem to be somewhat exclusive to each other. Video games is an accepted form of entertainment, while roleplayers and wargamers still somewhat struggle with the stereotype of unwashed people in a basement playing out less than child-friendly fantasies, or being grown people playing with toy soldiers.

I dunno, could just be my interpretation of the whole thing, but where I come live video games are accepted, RPGs and wargames less so.

Wall of text, sorry. Anyway, feel free to share your opinions on this, or if you indeed pursue a similar hobby.

TL;DR - Do you play any other games than video games, or do you think video games are more socially acceptable than wargames and RPGs?

Also, first thread I've started on this forum, I think. Yikes!

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Once upon a time, in a galaxy far, far away, I played everything that White Wolf had to offer, and then some. Game: the Subtitle was my life. As was everything that GW turned out. I have currently sitting on my shelves half painted armies from a dozen codicies.

I think the social acceptance of a format of game is most to do with ease of access, mass-connectivity, time and money. Games Workshop made a ton of money with their Lord of the Rings skirmish wargame (and turned out quite an original ruleset for GW), but that didn't translate into better sales for W40K and WFB. The Emprah is an established meme, and the W40K Space Marine is occasionally used as the atypical space marine in more common media. But that underground acceptance still doesn't make playing with toy soliders any more acceptable.

When did video games make their great breakthrough? I'd put it down to the lan parties, to Barry's World, to Gamespy, then later to the 360 and the Wii. When games became easier to use, they gained more acceptance. When video games became mass-connected (Farmville anyone?), they became more socially acceptable. When companies realised there was a ton of money to be made, they damn well inserted a crowbar into people's minds and made video games more acceptable.

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I played a lot of warhammer/40k/battlefleet gothic and so on when I was younger but it got too expensive to carry on.

I would still play a computer version of the games (shadow of the horned rat!) I just don't have time or money enough to play the real thing.

I never really got into pen and paper rpg's.

To be fair I hadn't really heard of them until I started playing computer games, they were just not big where I grew up.

People were more likely to be throwing stones at each other and smashing things than working together to collect rat tails.

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I play Twilight Imperium from time to time with a pretty stable group. Tried some D&D in the past but never managed to truly get into it.

And yes, video games have become more socially acceptable than table rpgs/tops. V-games are now mainstream what with e-sports, FB games, MMOs, etc. while the table-related activities have remained in the realm of major geekery (though it's not as bad as in the past of course).

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Please please please tell me twillight imperium is not based on the Twillight vampier series! :P

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Please please please tell me twillight imperium is not based on the Twillight vampier series! :P

No, it's a political/economic/war-game set in a sci-fi universe with different alien species (humans too ofc). :P Almost like a table top version of Master of Orion.

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I still play RPGs as well as delving into boardgames. Probably a bit more than I've kept up with PC games.

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I still play RPGs as well as delving into boardgames.

What kind of boardgames? 2x4s or something with a bit more...breadth?

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ouch!

Arkham Horror, Carcassonne, Pandemic, Zombies (well modified) and a very interesting Cold War game I've just picked up that would add a lot to a certain Geopolitical type of thing. Those are the most recent games. I did buy the first Warhammer 40k, but despite being a good read, looked extortionate to keep up an interest in.

On the RPG front it's mostly Call of Cthulhu and a few home brewed systems.

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I used to play DSA (kinda like D&D) for a while and a few games of Shadowrun. Never really had the luxury of time to get into it though. Or a willing group on the same schedule for that matter.

I don't think either of them actually IS socially more acceptable, but I do get the impression that videogames are more socially acceptED. Make any sense?

On the other hand, here in germany where nothing makes sense, it's probably the other way around, seeing as in one kind everything happens in your imagination, and in the other kind you are trained to shoot up people for real (if the term killer games means anything to you). *cough*

Oh well. Don't try to understand what's socially acceptable.

It's like saying don't argue with idiots, they will drag you down and beat you with experience.

regards

Davoren

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I like RPGs as much for the social side of it as anything else. Getting round a table with real people and sharing a common interest is always a good thing. PC games for me are generally more socially isolating, although at least there are forums to connect up with folks.

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I rarely play single player games any more, I just don't find them particularly interesting.

An sp game needs to be very good to interest me while a multiplayer or mmo only needs to be decent.

It is the people who I am playing with that provide that extra fun factor.

As I said never got into p&p rpg's.

I imagine it is the same there though.

Doesn't really matter what system you are using as long as you are having a laugh with friends.

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Ah, White Wolf, did a few of their games, currently doing a Mage The Awakening campaign.

Most people nowdays play video games where I come from, even women (video games is mainly a man-thing over here), but my town only has a handful of wargamers and RPGers (me being one of them). But yea, it's a sociable thing. Actually winning never really is a concern to me, and PnP RPGs can deliver what most video RPGs can't, that being that there are no invisible boundaries about.

On the other hand, I rarely to never play MMOs for any extended period of time. Either the immaturity of the other players puts me off, the game simply doesn't interest me, or the neverending stats-hammering. I'm a role-player, not a goddamn maths PhD. I can appreciate number crunching in moderation, but I'm much more interested in story, characters and fluff. Working out how to maximize damage to the very limit isn't my thing.

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On the other hand, I rarely to never play MMOs for any extended period of time. Either the immaturity of the other players puts me off, the game simply doesn't interest me, or the neverending stats-hammering.

I never play MMO's, and for those exact reasons.

Oh, and the subscription fees! I like paying for a game once and then it's done. I've replayed Civilization 4 and most of the Fallout games so many times that when I look at the original cost (compared to the thousands of hours of entertainment), I almost feel bad for the developer. So for a game to keep hitting me up for money every month, it needs to be at least that damn good. But I don't enjoy MMO's enough for that to ever happen.

I'll admit I used to be into Kingdom of Loathing for a while. That one is free (although I eventually donated) and the player interaction is downplayed to the point where it feels like a single-player game most of the time (also good). But even that got too grindy in the end.

I grew up on pen and paper games, but those have their own obstacles. When you're an adult and so are most of your friends, it can be tough to get everyone together for long enough (and often enough) to keep a campaign going. Or like me, you might move to a new area where you don't know any gamers, leaving you to play with new people who might be douchebags (if you can even find anyone who's into RPGs at all).

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I play dungeons and dragons online a fair bit, it is free to play so I can come back to it when I feel like playing without having to fork out money.

I am looking forward to the white wolf mmo when it finally comes out as well.

CCP (EVE designers) are doing that one so could be quite good, or total rubbish, who knows.

If the community is rubbish in an online game then I leave.

Generally I only play with rl friends unless I happen to meet people in the game who seem ok.

The majority of mmo's have some great people if you can find them behind the vocal childish minority.

Most other contact with my friends who live at best in other parts of this country if not in other parts of the world is pretty much impossible.

I would rather get into proper p&p rpgs but I know that I wouldn't be able to.

I am studying for a degree in nursing and helping to plan a wedding already so taking on extra time sinks, no matter how much fun, is just not practical.

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Ah, White Wolf, did a few of their games, currently doing a Mage The Awakening campaign.

I played Vampire for a fair while when it came out, using the first round of Chicago source books to keep things going. It was a very sleak little system and we had great fun with it.

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Had some of the funniest moments in MtA (two characters high-tail it out of a building in over 100km/h on foot after the third character almost bought the farm, was hilarious at the time).

On what Guaddlike said, there are good and friendly players, but the immature are the most vocal, somehow always feeling the need to crack down on whoever isn't as skilled as they are, or just throw insults around. Met a few nice people in MMOs, one that stands out was the very nice guy in WWII Online who took me under his wing and taught me all about the game. But alas these kind souls are overshadowed by the vocal jack-offs, and there's the number crunching, which all of my friends do (if you've ever heard of the WoW guild Grimbo, that's most of my RL friends there. Apparently a somewhat well-known guild on Stormreaver).

I'm not making much sense to myself here, but it's friday, I'm tired to hell and have a cold one in the fridge. Excuse my absence.

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I used to play some paper RPG when Iw as younger. Also board wargames.

Recently I play Game of Thrones which was fun.

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Anyone else here a fan of Space Hulk and shell out $100 for that limited edition set that came out a couple years back?

No?

Just me?

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Dude, I had the original edition of Space Hulk. And the Deathwing expansion. And every WD that had new rules. Then my g-d brother wrecked it all. Was the special ed. worth it?

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