Wintermist

The maps aren't really that big that you can't easily find them all. That's how I play all the time, I don't sit in the UFO. And if you turn it around then, you want enhanced AI so that they defend the UFO. Sounds like you want to turn it into a Tower defense scenario. Not what I find fun either. The aliens should communicate and react to what they find out. If they spot you, they should call in their friends. Defending a crashed UFO really isn't the best survival strategy. It's like telling a shot down airforce pilot to find his shot down aircraft, and wait by it until picked up. They know you're coming because you don't miss a Chinook approaching, they're not exactly quiet. They should lay in ambush. So yes, I STILL believe a discovered map is the best scenario, with a FoW. What needs some work is the AI, and perhaps more cover on the maps that aliens and you can use.

I think the win if you sit in the UFO for 5 turns is a bad winning condition though. Just because you sit in it doesn't mean the aliens are going to go away. You will not be able to haul it out of there until you get rid of the aliens. So I really think that the mission should be to kill all aliens. That's a kill and gather resources mission. Then there could be other missions where other win conditions could apply. But if I can always win by sitting in the UFO, then that is what everyone would do. Keep the team together, don't bother with civilians, just stay close, find the UFO, and squat in it. Doesn't sound so fun anymore.

Hilarious, didn't know that "trick". Guess they don't run much in the base.

I am not going to repeat my points because I don't discuss that way, but I will respond to why they wouldn't hide in their shot down UFO, and that is because that would be the place the enemy would come to look.

I prefer a discovered map, governed by a FoW instead of a completely black map.

There are many reasons why a discovered map is useful. You don't continuously keep running into what turned out to be a map border. You don't waste turns just to wait for those guys to catch up that happened to "explore" in the wrong direction. Why would I want to look for the UFO when it's the aliens I should be searching for? Clearly, coming in from the air, I'd have a pretty freaking solid idea where it crash landed, even the pilots could tell us "guys, it's over there". What I don't have a solid idea about is where the aliens scurried off to, and where they might lay in ambush for me. Yeah, call me lazy for not wanting to run around in a black map even in broad daylight. That only speaks for your own definition of being lazy.

Who are you calling lazy? Mind how you discuss things. I like exploration as much as the next guy, but I am also into realism. But calling me lazy, where do you get that from?

Yeah but you still get to look outside as you approach. You would get a pretty good idea what it looks like. That's what I think anyway. Hell, even if you didn't you could see pretty damn far once you land.

Oh, just posted something in the ideas part about this issue lol. Now I feel daft for not spotting this thread first.

What I have a bit of a problem with is the Fog of War, you don't even know the rough outline of the area you're about to attack even though you must have gotten a pretty awesome aerial view of it as you are approaching the area. So how about that outside missions already give you the map discovered, but greyed out to indicate you don't know where the aliens are. And as you move around you get a clear view just as normal, the only difference being you already know the terrain. You would still have to discover what it looks like inside buildings because you wouldn't see that coming in with the dropship.

Burst fire, forgot to add that. And even not using bursts, the sniper rifle has a scope which makes it way harder to keep up with a moving target than a assault rifle without one. Range, the maps aren't even large enough that you couldn't hit with any rifle. When I was in the army we shot at half-targets at 400m without a scope and it was fine. Now a sniper rifle would be more precise, but as for range, they both can do it.

Another game I would get a heart-attack from.

What I would like the most would be that if the alien is running, you're probably not gonna hit with the sniper rifle. But if the alien sat still and perhaps in cover, that sniper would hit when the assault rifles would have less of a chance. Assault rifles, on the other hand, should have an easier time to hit something that is moving. But I'm dreaming I'd like it though!

Oh lol, I am most definately not new to that genre, and I will never ever get bored with it. And yeah, one can make wonders with it! Nice vids btw.

Friend of mine put it together into one: [video=youtube;5QoAjNNl7Kw]